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NHS DEVOLUTION SILENCE FROM SALFORD CIVIC LEADERS
 

Star date: 26th February 2015

THE END OF THE `NATIONAL' HEALTH SERVICE?

"This deal smells beyond dodgy and beyond folly..." GM Referendum Campaign

Following reports of a deal to devolve £6billion of health and social care funding to Greater Manchester, in Salford there's been almost a deafening silence from the city's civic leaders.

Elsewhere, the deal, which could take the `National' out of the NHS, has been discussed in detail. Here, the Salford Star looks at the reactions.

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Following reports of a deal being proposed between Tory Chancellor George Osborne and Greater Manchester councils to devolve £6billion of health and social care funding, there's been almost total silence from Salford's civic leaders.

The proposed deal, which would give a Greater Manchester Mayor and his Cabinet control over all spending on hospitals, GPs, mental health services, social care and public health, was hailed by Manchester City Council Leader, Richard Leese, on Twitter as "Really exciting. Gtr Manchester Councils to control local NHS bdgts, integrating health & social care...Health money devolution is good news for Manchester"...

...But while Leese has been bouncing up and down in bed with George Osborne, there's not been a word from Salford City Mayor Ian Stewart, who, along with the leaders of the nine other Greater Manchester councils, should have been, at the very least, highly informed about the deal...Not a word on `DevoNHS' during his address to the full Council meeting on Wednesday. Not a word on Twitter. Not a word on his Facebook site...

Neither was Lisa Stone, Salford Council's Assistant Mayor for Health and Wellbeing, saying or tweeting anything about the NHS devolution. The only Salford councillor who seems to have gone public is John Merry, Assistant Mayor for Children and Young People who, when pushed on Twitter by the Salford Star, wrote "We have not got full detail yet. As you know I believe the more decided locally the better..."

Salford's MPs have been a bit more vocal - "It's excellent news for Greater Manchester, both for the health service and local democracy", said Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton)...But, on Twitter, Barbara Keeley (Eccles and Worsley South), who sits on the House of Commons Health Select Committee, pointed to Labour Party Shadow Health Minister Andy Burnham's criticisms of a devolved NHS, writing "I agree with @andyburnhammp - warning about not wanting a 'Swiss-cheese' NHS with cities opting out"...

"For me, this has to be a solution that works for everywhere or that could be offered to everywhere" Andy Burnham explained "Because if you're going to stick to the idea of a National Health Service, you can't have a Swiss-cheese NHS where some bits of the system are operating to different rules or have different powers or freedoms. So I am a bit worried by what I'm hearing. Because it does point to further breakup of the idea of a National Health Service."

While local politicians are ignorant, silent, or split on the issue, the Greater Manchester Referendum Campaign - which has been opposed to the whole undemocratic process of how devolution is being brought to Greater Manchester - didn't mince its words in a press statement last night...

"What is not in any doubt is that those directly affected by the consequences of this week's announcement and of the larger 'Devo Manc' package have been completely excluded and not consulted - and those who've concocted this back-room deal have no legitimate democratic mandate, from the public's point of view, to impose these massive changes" it stated "There has been no public debate, no scrutiny, no carefully thought-through manifesto pledges, no impact assessment – the public have had no voice and no vote. Are we expected to accept that this is how decisions affecting millions of us are now made?

"And are we really expected to take it on trust that George Osborne, Jeremy Hunt, Howard Bernstein and Richard Leese, in their cosy back-room laboratory, have discovered a new wonder-drug prescription for our health and that it absolutely must be immediately injected into us for our own good, without our knowing exactly what it contains, how it's supposed to work, what the side effects are and whether we like it or not?" it added "If a real doctor tried this approach they would, rightly, be stopped, struck off and jailed! How can we be sure that Doctor George's marvellous medicine is panacea not poison? Already described as a `poison chalice' and producing a `Swiss cheese NHS', how do we know this made-up MHS [Manchester Health Service] doesn't also contain horse meat or worse?

"Why exactly should such powers be in the hands of an appointed made-up-mayor and 'cabinet' of ten, predominantly male, pale and stale Council leaders?" the Campaign asked "Their attitudes and behaviour so far is surely reason enough for us all to refuse to be bounced into their fast tracked, back-room deal and its consequences for millions of us in Greater Manchester and beyond.

"It is common-sense wisdom that `the devil is in the detail' and that `fools rush in where angels fear to tread' - but this deal smells beyond dodgy and beyond folly" it concluded "This deal is a dangerous threat to our democratic future and a dangerous deal for the future health and wellbeing of millions of us."

Elsewhere, the British Medical Association (BMA) urged politicians to stop messing with the NHS..."The NHS has just undergone unprecedented upheaval" it stated "There must be no more games with our health service and we need to avoid a situation where the NHS moves from being a national to a local political football."

The proposed devolution deal comes as health (NHS) and social care (councils) are being merged, or `integrated', and Dr Peter Carter, Chief Executive and General Secretary of the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) warned that local councils could rip off health money to cover shortfalls in other areas...

"If done properly, there are clear advantages of health and social care services working more closely together" he explained "So many aspects of health are linked to social care issues, such as housing and education, and a smooth transition between health and social care services is better for patients.

"However, nursing staff regularly work at the boundary between health and social care, and know there are challenges when providing free health care and means-tested social care, which particularly affect vulnerable and older patients" he added "There is also a danger of a merger leading to health budgets being spent on council services which do not improve public health. This must not be allowed to happen.

"This devolution would be a truly significant change to the health service" he concluded "It could potentially benefit patients greatly, but without thorough planning by the Government and regional council it runs the risk of being simply another failed reorganisation."

The National Health Action Party co-leader, Dr Clive Peedell, also warned of the dangers of NHS Devolution calling it "yet another depressing milestone in the denationalisation and break up of the NHS...Social care is already mostly privatised and merging with health care at a local level will likely result in further privatisation, means-testing and charging, with more NHS money diverted to private companies."

In Salford, the only health leader to say anything positive was Dr Hamish Stedman, Chair of Salford Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), who stated "This is a genuine opportunity to enhance health outcomes for the people of Greater Manchester by aligning health and social care and public sector reform. Treating a person as a whole – rather than by separate conditions – is designed to bring long-term benefits and independence."

You would expect the £110,000 CCG Chair to be positive about the deal because the Clinical Commissioning Group stands to rake in loads of money from a devolved NHS, which would swell the Fat Cat count at the CCG substantially.

According to the CCG's annual report for 2013-14, there are already four officers earning between £100,000 and £145,000 – while the `lay members' of the CCG are Peel Holdings' Paul Newman (expect Peel Group to start a health wing) who picks up between £5,000 and £10,000 for his efforts; Edward Vitalis, an accountant who works in the private health sector amongst other jobs (picks up between £10,000 and £15,000 for his CCG work); and Brian Wroe, the former Salford Council Assistant Director who has been hanging around health bodies, picking up pay outs since he left the Council. For the CCG gig he's trousering between £5,000 and £10,000.

On the Keep Our NHS Public Facebook group, members were furious about NHS Devolution... "This is terrifying" wrote one "And there will be the usual toxic combination of fools and evil buggers supporting it."

"Transfer of accountability is the motive, while centrally manipulating funding to pull the strings" wrote another, with another horrified resident added: "Do not hail this as a great breakthrough. It is a determined attempt to break up the NHS as a collective health service for the UK and to leave local councils as the last resort for health resources dependent on central government for funds but starved of the money they need! BEWARE! It is the latest shot towards privatisation!"

Meanwhile, in Salford, our political leaders remain silent...


To sign the Greater Manchester Referendum Campaign see  https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/people-must-have-right-to-vote-on-devo-manc

For further campaign details also see the Campaign's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/devolutionreferendumcampaign



Bernard Brough wrote
at 09:47:28 on 05 March 2015
"Mr Shame", while I agree that this country could hardly be seen as democratic. I still don't see what your problem is. If there is a referendum on the subject you will have the chance to put your point of view forward as with the other side of the debate, people will then vote on the matter. What is wrong with that? By the way my name is Bernard, you don't need quotes and you don't need to shout. Calm down, you might do yourself an injury.
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Shame on you Salford Star wrote
at 07:39:50 on 05 March 2015
It is the current set up that is undemocratic "BERNARD" with everything micro managed from Westminster. I don't remember voting in a referendum when Jeremy Hunt replaced Andrew Ansley, nor do I rememeber voting for a top down reorganisation of the NHS since that wasn't in anyone's manifesto. Something like 90% of public services in salford are already "FOISTED" on you since that's the rough proportion of local public spending that's controlled from London. No other developed country is so imbalanced. If power were being taken away id say that would be a basis for a referendum but let's not kid ourselves, the so-called "GM referendum campaign" are not interested in democracy or consultation of any kind, they're only interested in keeping the status quo and you're a fool for believing otherwise. As are the salford star who have some serious questions to answer over their support for this shadowy organisation.
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Bernard Brough wrote
at 15:13:34 on 04 March 2015
"Mr Shame", you are against a referendum, but in favour of local people having more say in what goes on. And you accuse the Salford Star of being contradictory! You miss the point that during a referendum campaign points of view of both sides of the argument with be put forth. This actually gives people the chance to engage in the debate. On the other hand we could just sit and have things foisted on us by a centralised government. You are the one regarding Salford with contempt. Again you demand names, but refuse to come out of the closet and tell us yours. What is your interest in this matter? Why are you so uptight about it?
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Devo GM wrote
at 15:10:31 on 04 March 2015
The current mayor of salford like every other council leader has precious little real power or influence, the reason being central government currently dictate the vast majority of services councils must provide as well as the way in which they should be delivered and redistributes funding according to a fixed formula or their own ideology. Local government, having been stripped of their power over several decades have become little more than agents of central government who run the country like it was some sort of colonial outpost - ie by central diktat. This is why most of the moaning and ranting on this website about the cuts is so futile. For all the influence local government hold, its like rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic in the context of the scale of cuts handed down to them. This is why moves to devolve major strategic services like transport, housing, skills and health are so positive. No longer will certain policies designed for Bristol, Bangor or Billericay be automatically applied to Salford. And funding can be used so it reflects local needs. But all this depends on devolution going ahead. Who really thinks Westminster knows what we need better than local Salford people? I certainly don't and I think it is offensive to suggest otherwise.
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Winston Smith wrote
at 04:06:46 on 04 March 2015
It really won't make any difference - whether it's a Greater Manchester or National, nobody at the top will give a shit about the mess they will inevitably make. The problem is, and always has been, lack of vision, transparency and accountability. The assumption that local NHS for local people will automatically be better simply because it's local is just plain stupid (as ably demonstrated by Mayor of Salford)
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Shame on you Salford Star wrote
at 20:24:22 on 03 March 2015
See the Salford Star and Bernard's comments below. Oh give me strength! You really are clueless. A referendum is NOT consultation. A referendum is about giving people a straight yes or no choice. Either yes we do want devolution or no we don't. Either yes you trust local people to run their own services or no you don't. Either yes you champion localism or no, you champion a heavily centralised state and those who benefit from it, namely big government, big bureaucracy and big national media outlets. Salford people have suffered under this system far too long so why would you support a campaign that clearly wants to keep things the way they are? Your position contradictory and a nonsense. You are taking your readership for fools and regard Salford people with utter contempt. And finally NO, you have NOT answered the question. You continue to refuse to name the individuals behind this shadowy GM Referendum Campaign - WHY??. What have you or they got to hide? We need to know WHO they are, WHAT their background is, WHO employs them and HOW the campaign is funded. Only with this information in the public domain can we understand their motivations and whether they really do have the interests of Salford at heart or have quite another agenda.
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Winston Smith wrote
at 16:10:58 on 03 March 2015
Having worked for the NHS for several years and lived through the transition from PCT to CCG (and CSU) I can tell you with some certainty that this "devolution" is being sold to the public as "more control for local people" whereas in fact the opposite is true. The overall strategy is apparently to smash the NHS into pieces and encourage "survival of the fittest" competition at all levels. Unfortunately, NHS organisations cannot beat private sector competition, as the NHS has ethical responsibilities and cannot simply cherry pick the profitable stuff. As an example of things to come, your local Greater Manchester CSU bungled the opportunity to get on the LPF (Lead Provider Framework) but the multinational likes of Capita and Optum succeeded. Now, it's absolutely bleeding obvious that multinationals are not locally accountable. When multinationals get their hands on any part of the NHS, local control, by the people, will be the last thing on their mind. And yes, just imagine Peel setting up a health wing - how democratic are they??? E.g. with their unwanted incinerators? I can imagine a business as unethical as Peel actually profiting both from building incinerators and then treating the people they're poisoning, in Peel owned hospitals. And then presumably feeding the dead back into the incinerators in a continuous cycle...how's that for Private Sector "Efficiency"!
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Bernard Brough wrote
at 12:09:43 on 03 March 2015
"Mr Shame" are you objecting to anybody even questioning devolution? Do you think it wrong to even debate the question? Do you really believe that the people of this city should not at least be consulted on such an important issue? If your comments are any indication the answer to the above questions would be yes. Talk about treating people with contempt. You ask who the people behind the GM Referendum Campaign are by name but don't have the bollocks to give us yours. By the way cool down slim life's too short.
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Salford Star wrote
at 06:48:03 on 03 March 2015
See Shame On You's comment below... OMG! If you're the balance God help us all! Re the GM Referendum Campaign - suggest you ask them directly but here's what they said..."It's a joint campaign initiated by Greater Manchester Association of Trades Union Councils, Manchester People's Assembly, and a range of other groups and individuals" - happy? The Salford Star's position on devolution is quite simply that we want what is best for the community and believe that the community should have a say in the future of its services. PS Did you know that the use of capital letters online is the equivalent of SHOUTING? Please calm down...
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Shame on you Salford Star wrote
at 06:35:06 on 03 March 2015
See Salford Star's completely disingenuous response below. You don't get it do you. I can tell you haven't thought your stance through whatsoever. The only possible responses to a referendum on devolution are 1. Yes we want it or 2 no we don't. You remember the Scots' referendum question don't you? There is no half way house. Mayor Stewart is in no way comparable as his position came with no new powers or funding. He is a conventional council leader in all but name. You really swallowed the government's spin on that one didn't you! Right so now we've established some basic facts, let's try again. WHO is behind the GM Referendum campaign (individual names please), WHERE are they based, WHO do they work for, WHAT is their profile and career history and HOW is the campaign funded. I want to understand their motivations, reasonable wouldn't you say? Oh and what is YOUR position on the devolution question and explain WHY. Come on, stop treating your readership with contempt and employ some basic joiurnalistic principles by providing some balance please.
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Salford Star wrote
at 20:22:24 on 02 March 2015
See Shame on you's comment below...You seriously haven't read the reply to your last comment have you? You really are full of your own indignation. We'll write this slowly again so that you can understand it...We don't think anyone is saying they don't want decisions made locally. But people are saying they don't want it imposed without being consulted. The Greater Manchester Referendum Campaign, as far as we know them, are a group of individuals from trade unions and community groups who want to see the people of Greater Manchester consulted on devolution - no funding, no HQ, just some petitions and a facebook group. We're sure they will come on here and explain anything you need to know. Meanwhile, if you honestly think an elected Mayor increases `democratic accountability' then you've never been to Salford, and are obviously deluded. Even those busy jumping into bed with George Osborne don't want an elected Mayor for GM but are accepting it `reluctantly'. PS. Holding local people in `contempt' is the very act of imposing devolution and a Mayor without consulting anyone.
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Shame on you Salford Star wrote
at 20:07:11 on 02 March 2015
See comment below by Salford Star.. So come on then Salford Star, in the interests of transparency, TELL US. Tell us exactly who is behind the 'GM Referendum Campaign', where they are based, who they work for, what their profile and career history is and how this shadowy organisation is funded. Salford people will rightly be questioning why you so distrust them to run their own affairs and why you think MPs and bureaucrats based hundreds of miles away know so much better what's best for the city. You must think Salford with its entrenched health issues and lower life expectancy is some sort of nirvana!! The point about devolution is that it brings decision making closer to the area it serves, rather than applying a one size fits all approach from London. But you cannot simply devolve these powers and all this extra funding without increasing democratic accountability, hence the elected mayor. So your unquestioning support of this bizarre GM Regerendum Campaign group must mean, like them, you either think a heavily centralised state is a good thing or nothing should be devolved because salford people can't be trusted to run their own affairs. So which is it? You stance is quite revealing actually, confirming what I have long suspected which is you actually hold US your readership and the people of Salford in contempt. Let's see if you take the opportunity to redeem yourself. TELL US where you stand on the devolution issue and why and TELL US who, in detail, is behind the GM Regetendum Campaign and what their motivations are. I won't be holding my breath.
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Salford Council staff member wrote
at 07:22:57 on 02 March 2015
"Shame on You" you don't have to go to London to see an army of disinterested ineffective bureaucrats, having worked at Salford Council I can assure you that they have more than there fair share of those both past and present ranging from Scary Spicer who seemingly made little difference to overpaid and allegedly creepy slimy Jim Taylor. All that will happen is what happens now in the NhS ie overpaid and over managed, but on a local Manchester Centric way.
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Salford Boy wrote
at 07:22:51 on 02 March 2015
Once againSalford Council has sold us out to Manchester. Who on earth is Hamish Deadman? Sounds like a traditional Salford name! Officials of the Health Authority and Council are just fat cats and this package wil lead to even more of them. As for Lisa Stone former Asistant Mayor for Community Engagement, she failed to engage so Stewrat moved her to Health and well being, like all Councillors the only Health and Well being she looks after is her own!
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Salford Star wrote
at 19:45:59 on 01 March 2015
See Shame On You Salford Star comment below...Mr Shame - you are so full of righteous indignation about the `shadowy' GM Referendum Campaign that you completely forgot to put your own shadowy name. We know exactly who the group are - no idea who the hell you are! Perhaps the Referendum Campaign's motives are to get some accountability and democracy into the whole devolution deal. We don't think anyone is saying they don't want decisions made locally. But people are saying they don't want it imposed without being consulted. Do you have a problem with that? `Democratic'? `Open'? The founders of this deal seem to have forgotten the meaning of those words. Oh, and you seem to have forgotten your real name!
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Shame on you Salford Star wrote
at 19:33:26 on 01 March 2015
Absolutely brilliant news, shame the Luddites behind the shadowy and mysterious 'GM Referendum Campaign' group are too narrow minded or too stupid to see the potential benefits of having decisions on important services taken locally in a more democratic, open and joined up manner. But most of all SHAME ON THE SALFORD STAR for giving this weird group the oxygen of publicity without scrutinising who is behind it and what their motives are; for standing up for big centralised government; and campaigning on behalf of the vested interests of London-based MPs and their army of overpaid, disinterested and ineffective bureaucrats in keeping things the way they are.
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Michael F in Felse wrote
at 11:44:55 on 01 March 2015
Basic Fact - people with mental, social, emotional or psychical health inequalities need help. If aspiring elected Councillors cannot be supportive then we have no just, fair or caring society. I expect a statement from our Elected Mayor on why the cuts. I expect each canvassing Salford Councillors to explain why. Being a born again Christian I want to forgive but the way Salford Council looks today with the cuts I will not be voting or trusting Labour this year.
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Chrissie wrote
at 06:25:24 on 01 March 2015
I share the fears of the Referendum Campaign, re. decisions being made about the future of the NHS in Salford, without any public debates, public opinions,or informed manifesto, and in addition with Andy Burnham's "Swiss Cheese" theory of the NHS being sliced; ergo, care and funding being administered in differing modes according to where you live. As Andrew No Passaran Orwell... wrote, this is scarily Orwellian. I was an NHS nurse for 20 years and it is so sad to see a once benevolent and democratic institution on its knees and at the mercy of opportunists.
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Unbelivable wrote
at 09:32:11 on 28 February 2015
Why would anybody hand the keys of our local hospitals to Salford Labour council? Look at what they have done with the Salford council area, it's like trusting an arsonist with a box of matches!!!!!!
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Andrew No Passaran Orwell ! wrote
at 13:28:14 on 27 February 2015
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” - George Orwell , Animal Farm. ...and the voters looked from Tory to Labour , and Labour to Tory , and from Tory to Labour again; but already it was impossible to say which was which …! ? Labour ? Tory ? - Same old story ! Didn't Red Ed promise to "weaponise the NHS" not take it out of democratic control as a prelude nto flogging it off to the Private Sector ? Far from being safe in Labour hands the NHS is being put up for auction. As the great socialist legend Nye Bevin said the NHS would continue as long as there were people "willing to fight for it" For God's sake wake up people the Labour Party are not willing to fight for it or you anymore . Have you not worked that out yet ?
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Em3 wrote
at 12:24:46 on 27 February 2015
At last, I understand what this manc package 'wonder drug' is all about - another dirty deal by a few tofs who are bound to end up quids-in and in a few years when the NHS is in bits - they will be far away in a sunny tax haven while men and women in Manchester are continuing to die before their time. Thanks for the clearest and most honest explanation about the new dictatorship.
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Chaz wrote
at 12:24:40 on 27 February 2015
The lack of democracy and public consultation on all of this is utterly mind boggling
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