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SALFORD’S DISAPPEARING LOLLIPOP PEOPLE
 

Star date: 15th July 2013

SCHOOL CROSSING POINTS DROP BY ALMOST A THIRD WITHIN A YEAR

In just twelve months, Salford's School Crossing Points have dropped by almost a third, reducing from 92 to 63. School Crossing Points are where lollipop men and women help people to cross the road but, since a 2012 review, 29 have disappeared.

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Lollipop men and women are fast disappearing from the roads of Salford as a new Salford Council report shows that within the last 12 months their numbers have been reduced from 92 to 63.

Councils are not legally obliged to provide School Crossing Points, or SCPs, as the responsibility for getting kids to school safely ultimately lies with their parents. This has allowed many local authorities across the country to cut the service to save money, despite protests from communities.

Salford City Council has never stated publicly that it has a policy to axe lollipop people – it's just that almost one third of them have been `disestablished' since a review in summer 2012...or what the Council calls "a phased reduction of SCP points".

The Council's latest report on SCPs doesn't actually explain why there's been such a dramatic loss of lollipop people, merely stating that their establishment or disestablishment is dependent on `changes to infrastructure and road users travel patterns'.

While the Council's `bulldozing schools for the future' programme knocked plenty of schools down, including Langworthy Road, Tootal Drive and Seedley primaries, other ones, like River View and Willow Tree opened, so the lollipop loss can't just be attributed to this factor.

The Council report states that `existing school crossing patrol points are regularly monitored to ensure that they continue to reach the PV2 criteria'

"…The PV2 is the figure generated from surveys which count the number of child pedestrians crossing at a location and also the number of vehicles that travel along the road during the busiest thirty minutes, usually the morning drop off period. The consequent figure is then subject to various adjustment factors such as carriageway width, visibility and speed of traffic but is finally used to generate an objective figure for each site.

"In order to qualify for an SCP the figure must be >4,000,000 otherwise it indicates that either the number of children crossing is very low, or the flow of traffic is light enough to allow substantial gaps that pedestrians can use to cross in relative safety…"

Whatever. With a drop of 29 lollipop people in twelve months, there must be a lot of children not wanting to cross roads any more in the city. The Council report concludes…

"The imperative is to ensure that Salford has a school crossing patrol service that is efficient, professional and ensures that children can travel safely to school and is in line with National guidelines."

 

 

Bystander wrote
at 3:37:01 PM on Friday, July 19, 2013
Sick of Irwell riverside wrote if you luck at 'Not the head of SCP are you' comment again I think u will c they are in your support. bit of sarcasm yeah but they is actualy backin u. lots of peeps in ur situ physically disb and such= don't bite hand that feed u
 
Sick of Irwell riverside wrote
at 9:21:51 AM on Friday, July 19, 2013
Reply to Not the head of SCP.. Thanks for the awful reply about my children, yes I do need a patrol crossing as Im registered blind, but you know eveything,..disgraceful.
 
Not the head of SCP are you.....lol wrote
at 12:39:23 PM on Thursday, July 18, 2013
The point Jo was trying to get across was that these crossing patrols were in fact disbanded "many moons" ago. It's just that only now are we hearing about it. And they are saying that patrols retired or "left" and they thought fuck the kids lets not advertise this job making it disappear. Oh and remember Sick of Irwell Riverside Councilliors, if your kids get knocked because you can't cross the road safely then it's your fault according to Jo.
 
wrote
at 6:38:34 AM on Thursday, July 18, 2013
I think you have missed my point. The SCP budget hasn't been cut. SCPs are still provided where the national criteria advises they should be provided. The number of points has been reduced but points are not the same as patrols. The Star just got the wrong end of the stick with this article. If you think a SCP is needed somewhere then it will be assessed and if it reaches criteria a point will be established and a vacancy advertised. If you want to apply for the vacant job near your school get in touch with highways dept. thankfully most primary children are accompanied by sensible adults when crossing roads which means that school journeys are far safer than when they are left to play out alone at weekends and holidays when there are no SCPs. SCPs are provided to create a break in traffic to allow people to cross, they can't prevent speeding or congestion. Langley Rd incident could not have been prevented by a SCP.
 
Sick of Irwell Riverside councilliors wrote
at 3:43:06 AM on Thursday, July 18, 2013
Replying to Jo comment Do you work for SCC, it seems you do, Do you have children ? Do you see the plonkers on roads.speeding pass schools, ? A local girl was killed in this area,because of speeding ? We at Georges Don't have a pelican crossing but are in a very congested area of industrial units, eg lorrys etc, Nothing will be acted on till theres a death again on our roads. Stuff government policies if thats the case...it been kept quite from parents,Governors & headships,where this City council can get out of paying for something they will , unless it effects them personally, What if a child you knew ,had to cross such a road, Jumping & Diving cars,everyday, its not a funny matter.
 
JO wrote
at 2:23:08 PM on Wednesday, July 17, 2013
Not actually true. The number of patrols has stayed the same roughly for the last couple of years except for the odd retirement etc. it's the number of POINTS which has been disestablished which means that points which were once manned many moons ago but which hadn't reached criteria for a long time and therefore not manned have been taken off the list and disestablished. What HAS happened though is the national guidelines have changed which now no longer requires patrols to man pelican crossing unless circumstances demand. Therefore when patrols have retired or left they have not been replaced back on pelicans like they once would have. This also responds to public feeling that it is a waste of money for patrols to operate at pelicans. New schools such as Riverview and St Ambrose have had new points added and new patrols recruited. St Sebastian's patrol passed away and no one has applied for the vacant post. No panic really, despite what the Star says who have really got the wrong end if the stick. Don't forget, it remains the responsibility of the parent to ensure safety of children on their school journeys whether a patrol is provided or not. Thanks.
 
Sick of Irwell Riverside Councilliors wrote
at 9:43:11 AM on Monday, July 15, 2013
St Georges & St Sebastians Primary schools havent had a lollipop patrol in months...there are less schools than ever in Salford Council as ever demolished them to make way for new schools,therfore merging schools as one,so there should be enough patrols to cover ALL schools in the city.....as ever this City council Just dont bloody care about the welfare of anyone in Salford only themselves..."Shame on you SCC"
 
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