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SALFORD ERUV GETS GO AHEAD
 

Star date: 16th December 2011

SALFORD COUNCIL APPROVES BROUGHTON BOUNDARY LINES

Salford Council gave the go ahead for the creation of an Eruv in Salford at its Planning Panel yesterday. An Eruv is a physical boundary line that allows orthodox Jewish people to carry out activities on Sabbath.

Despite the plan being opposed by people from the orthodox Jewish community itself, plus liberal and secular Jewish people and local residents, the plans for the Eruv were passed after the Planning Panel councillors were told to take religious matters `out of the equation'

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Manchester and Bury councils had already given permission for the creation of a `Manchester Eruv' when the scheme came to Salford Council's Planning Panel yesterday.

An Eruv is defined in planning papers as "a formally recognised continuous boundary…that designates an area whereby orthodox Jewish people are able to carry out day to day activities on the Sabbath whilst observing the requirements of the Sabbath".

The physical line of the Salford Eruv goes from Cheetham Hill through Higher Broughton to Lower Broughton and through Kersal, and while the majority of the boundary makes use of existing walls, hedges, fences and buildings, it was necessary to erect 64 poles and six archways joined by thin wire. It was for these that planning permission was needed.

Salford Council's planning officer said at the start of yesterday's meeting that "an Eruv itself does not need planning permission" and that "ideological and philosophical matters are not relevant to planning."

This was challenged by the first objector to the proposals, David Milne from Higher Broughton, who argued that "maybe this committee should not be the formal decision making body". He went on to point out that the Eruv was not supported by secular Jewish people, and questioned Salford Council's authority to transform walls, fences and posts, which were originally constructed for non-religious purposes, into religious artefacts.

Speaking on behalf of orthodox Jewish people, including rabbis, who oppose the Eruv, Zelda Jacobson said that having been subjected to anti-semitism herself, the construct would likely lead to reciprocation as people would find it threatening.

She added that the Eruv is "an invasion of public space by a private group…If one faith group can place their items on our pavements, other groups can come along with their objects…the sky's the limit." 

Speaking in support of the Eruv, its committee chairman Simon Logan said that 98% of the requirements were already in place and that the planning application was for "the few gaps that exist". He added that the 64 poles and six archways would be "totally unnoticed" and would allow mothers to push prams and the elderly to be pushed in wheelchairs… "There would be no detriment to those who don't want to avail themselves of this facility" which would be "non-intrusive and inconvenience no-one".

Also speaking in support of the Eruv was Councillor Howard Balkind, who called the objections "disgusting" and said that fears of a rise in anti-semitism were a "red herring".

Chair of the Planning Panel, Councillor Derek Antrobus, while recognising that the Eruv was "an emotional issue", explained that the committee had to decide only whether the 64 poles were out of place or not. Councillors were thus restricted to questions about wildlife and heritage concerns, and the need for so many poles. At the end of the discussion the plans were passed unanimously…

Coming soon - are we creating a ghetto in Salford? 
 

Golam Murtaza wrote
at 11:05:04 AM on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Oh, this old issue again. Seriously, I can't understand why people get so steamed up about it. They need to grow up. I'm the atheist son of secular parents and religion has never interested me personally. As far as I'm concerned it's just something 'other people' do. But if this Eruv thing makes some practising Jews happy and it doesn't harm anyone else (which it doesn't) then what the hell is the problem?
 
mr zelda wrote
at 8:36:33 AM on Sunday, December 18, 2011
lets remember one thing eruv goes back in king salomon s time who king salomon is the one who invented eruv, if mrs zelda jacobson is clevere than the rabbis in the community good luck for her.as far as the community is concerned no rabbis have written or said anything against it, if anything they have written to the commite all the merryer.so whishing the eruv committe good luck and hope it all goes well.
 
Peter Drew wrote
at 7:32:52 AM on Sunday, December 18, 2011
message to Ghetto; Putting up an eruv is not avoiding the rules is abiding by the rules. Without an Eruv we are prohibited and with an eruv we are permitted. As simple as that. As to the ghetto issue - there will be no visible boundaries at all (besides existing fences, hedges, buildings, rivers, etc. which are part of our existence anyway)to create anything resembling a ghetto in any imagination of the word. These are not physical boundaries to differentiate between communities in any manner at all. Hope this clarifies it.
 
caroline wrote
at 12:26:20 AM on Saturday, December 17, 2011
This sounds crasy maddness...someone is walking with the devil..For this is beyound words..I think this is way out of order ..I was born in Cheetham hill..Jew ..Catholic.. immmrants etc all lived together.Without a dividing line..you repect each other. you know not to step on someones toes.Let us live in peace...
 
Ghetto wrote
at 1:03:24 PM on Friday, December 16, 2011
Well Joseph the Rabbbis forbade carrying but then allowed it if there was an eruv? Therefore God was not that bothered in the first place? I dont think he had much to say about it in the book of Moses? I think the fact that an eruv is supposed to be an unbroken line round a community, proves the fact that the area is now a ghetto. I,ve lived round Broughton all my life and the need for one was never brought up in public before. Of course, there was the call by one rabbi about 27 years ago to build a wall round the Jewish community (down Bury New Road,up Northumberland Street,along Leicester Road and onto Bury Old Road) but then that would have created a ghetto. DOH!
 
S leifman wrote
at 9:49:33 AM on Friday, December 16, 2011
Carrying in a private domain on the sabbath is permited. By placing these poles and strings it closes off a certain area making it a "private" domain even though most most people will see little or no change it obviously changes things for many people. If the Muslim community found the need to put up some posts for whatever reason I'm sure they would have the support of the Jewish community at large
 
Joseph wrote
at 6:37:30 AM on Friday, December 16, 2011
You have misunderstood the purpose of an eruv - it is not avoidance of the rules - it is part of the rules. The same rabbis who forbade carrying on the Sabbath allowed it when there is an eruv. Asking what the point of a little string is is akin to asking what the point of a few lines is on a piece of cloth that happens to be a flag or a piece of corporate branding. For those who find this symbol meaningful it can be very important - for those that don't it is irrelevant. I line within an eruv in London, and I can assure you that nobody for whom it is not important even notices its presence.
 
Ghetto wrote
at 4:54:23 AM on Friday, December 16, 2011
What I cannot understand is that if you follow a religion and its rules, then why try to avoid the rules? If God does not want you doing certain things on the sabbath, then do you think that he is going to be happy with you putting up a piece of string and doing those things? Maybe God cannot see past the string? Would the Jewish community be happy if Muslims started to "tag" areas in a similar fashion I wonder?
 
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