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PEEL HOLDINGS LOSES AT COURT OF APPEAL OVER SALFORD BROADOAK DEVELOPMENT
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Star date: 3rd September 2020 AFTER EIGHT YEAR BATTLE, PEEL LOSES AGAIN! Back in January, Peel Holdings announced that it was to appeal against a decision made by the High Court against its proposal to build six hundred houses on the Broadoak greenfield site in Worsley. Today the Court of Appeal dismissed Peel's case in what residents hope will be the end of the eight year battle..."The decision announced today...demonstrates that if local people get together in sufficient numbers they can beat the giants such as Peel" says Karen Garrido, Chair of Residents Against Inappropriate Development. Full details here...
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After eight long years of fighting against Peel Holding's proposals to build six hundred houses on the Broadoak greenfield site in Worsley, Residents Against Inappropriate Development, or RAID, hailed today's decision by the Court of Appeal to dismiss the company's latest case as "a success for democracy"... Peel's attempt to get planning permission to build houses at Broadoak in the Worsley Greenway was originally rejected by Salford Council and, on appeal, by both the Planning Inspector and the Secretary of State... ...In March 2018, Peel came back for another Appeal, which was subsequently dismissed by the Government's Secretary of State at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government who argued that "the proposals would impact negatively on the character and appearance of the Greenway". Then, Peel announced that it would be seeking a judicial review against the appeal decision which, it claimed was "unlawful and should be quashed..." The company subsequently brought and lost its judicial review at the High Court, and then took its fight to the Court of Appeal which has today ruled against the company... "The decision announced today by the Court of Appeal demonstrates that if local people get together in sufficient numbers they can beat the giants such as Peel" says Karen Garrido, Chair of RAID "It has taken eight years of hard work by many people, including fighting two public inquiries and two court cases, but the voice of the people has been listened to, this is a success for democracy. "But our fight does not stop here" she adds "There is other green land at threat on Leigh Road, Hazellhurst, Lumber Lane plus neighbouring land in Irlam and Cadishead, so together with ourselves as local councillors we will continue to fight to protect all of our green spaces. "Our thanks must also go to Salford Council for listening to us and representing and supporting us at the Inquiries and the Court cases" she concludes "Thanks also to the judges for not being swayed by Peels arguments. Last but not least our thanks to all local residents from all parts of Salford for supporting our fight without which we may not have won..."
For a full background see previous Salford Star articles...
Peel Holdings To Appeal Broadoak Decision – click here Secretary of State Refuses Peel Permission To Build on Broadoak - click here Peel Holdings Told Not To Insult Salford People's Intelligence at Broadoak Inquiry - click here Peel sent Packing in Worsley - click here Peel Holdings Wins Friday 13th Horror Award - click here
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Bob wrote
at 23:52:57 on 17 September 2020 |
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| Some good news for our Ray,no am not pulling his leg like I often like to. Its that finance capitalism he was going on about. It seems to be falling on its arse. Look at the flats for sale in the Beatham Tower, including Phil Nevilles. Its cash only there, you cannot get a mortgage on them. The estate agents say its just cos the windows are falling out and it will soon be sorted out and its nothing to worry about. Ask them if the place has an exterior wall safety certificate (in light of Grenfell tower) and they say no ,but thats because the windows fall out??? If you look at wikipedia page for the tower it says there is 8000 metres of kingspan in there to keep you warm. Ask the agents where this nice warn kingspan is, they dont know.Meanwhile ,Ian Simpson has got orders for loads more towers for Manchester. My girlfriend who does not give a monkeys about property politics or business said, after Manctopia last week, "you would have thought this lot would have learned sense after all the mistakes of the sixties and seventies". apparently they have not. |
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the truth hurts wrote
at 20:45:04 on 17 September 2020 |
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| Ahh Bob, don't give up the day job. A very low interest rate commercial finance on £200,000 per month is around £260 a week. And with that simple bit of financial arithmetic your arguments fall like a house of cards.
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Bob wrote
at 13:09:47 on 17 September 2020 |
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| At last ,something I can agree with Ray on. This Finance Capitalism as he calls it( I call it monetarist greed and stupidity on behalf of the idiots who fall for it and put up with it), it does need to be undermined and got rid of. Indeed ,governments should allow councils to borrow more money to build as many houses as they like, but on one condition, they flog these houses to the tenants should the tenants wish to buy them. The more they sell, the more money they can borrow.
We were talking about that block of flats on Churchill way. Well opposite there is is the land old Clarenden school was on.Couple of days ago, I was chatting to a medium sized builder from Bolton that I know about whats going on here in Salford, and about that Idea our mayor had about his own
development company. We looked at the internet map. "Tell your mayor I will build him as many 4 bed high standard houses as he wants on that site for 200 grand each. All he has to do is put the land in which he already owns, I will sort everything out including the long term finance" he said.Well, finance cost on 200 grand is I reckon 140 quid a week , housing benefit is 200 quid for a 4 bed. Even a family that is less well off and working would most probable need a bit of help here with the rent. This guy is serious. His company has been going nearly 30 years. It will pass all due dill. The thing is though Ray, both me and you know that all our Mayor wants to do,is to flog that land to a developer. The developer he would have preference for would be a housing association, one that might promise half a dozen affordable and the rest for sale and market rent , you know, looks like he is trying. government grants all that bull. You think I am bull shiting Ray. I can assure you I am not. If the mayor is serious let me know here, and I will arrange an e mail or phone call at a specific time. Let us see who is bluffing .Me or you. |
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Make do and mend wrote
at 11:23:34 on 17 September 2020 |
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| Make do and mend I was told as a kid by my gran.It is a pity we don't do more of this instead of waste. It is also a pity Darren,Bob,Rossi,Felsey and Handyman are not on the council, but Ray Of Sunshine is. Salford, as we all know takes in hundreds of successful Asylum seekers each year. I have no wish to start an argument here as to whether this is right or wrong. It is simply a fact that we all know,and they get 10 grand for each one they take in. Does Councillor Ray think it might be a good idea to put these people in this Cherrytree block after it has been done up? Many of these people are not like the gutter press makes out. They are genuine refugees. It will make it easier for them to integrate in our city without jealousy,if we were to put them in modest accommodation like this block after it had been done up. Who could begrudge them a done up flat that was only going to be pulled down? Giving work to local tradesmen to do it up is beneficial to the local economy. Suppose the block gets knocked down and only a few new houses get built there.We all know asylum approved people have most priority because their need is calculated as greatest.If you then give a few of these houses to asylum people, then local people will get jealous, its only human nature. Best to do this block up, and use the cash saved to build new houses across the road with the money saved. Can Councillor Ray tell us what he thinks should be done with this block? |
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FELSEY wrote
at 08:32:07 on 17 September 2020 |
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| Nice of Ray to ask if the Tory Government will change policy on social housing. I once thought bad of Tories but at the same time deep down I knew they have the best brains to effect change. In this saga once again I challenge Ray to stand against me in the 2021 Salford Mayoral where we can openly debate housing. If it is a simple solution he wants then pull the cotton wool out of your ears and listen to Rossi, Mary, Bob, Darren and the other lovely local citizens of Salford on here that have offered great ideas. |
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Darren born bred wrote
at 06:51:33 on 17 September 2020 |
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| Over the last 10/12 years, Salford council have knocked down about 6 tower blocks on the Salford precinct area. I know these tower blocks looked a bit scruffy and outdated but all these needed was a lick of paint and a bit of TLC. These tower blocks was sound as a pound. Lilac court(where the dole office is now), and there was 4 tower blocks behind the Winston pub overlooking Clarendon, apple tree court, pear tree court and 2 other tower blocks. These could have been used to help the homeless.. What is going on with all this open space around Pendleton areas. The old Clarendon high school site lies empty for 20 years, the land behind the old mariner pub off Liverpool Street facing the school has been empty since the council knocked down the amersham Street maisonettes about 7 years ago. There is also land at the old high street estate (brydon close, Edgehill close) which was demolished last year, I think the council are going to build housing on this large site, but when? There is loads of land around Pendleton lying empty and we got thousands of people on the Salford housing waiting list waiting for a family home and about a thousand citizens sleeping rough in the cold on the Manchester and Salford streets every night. We need this sorting. I'm off to work now to get some pennies. |
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Bob wrote
at 22:49:56 on 16 September 2020 |
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| Knocking that Cherry tree down will be a hell of a job. Kersal flats was easy. Look how close the houses are here, and that is what is going to cost all the money. A waste, there again ,this is Salford, it is par for the course. |
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 22:22:32 on 16 September 2020 |
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| Felsey,the answer to Salford's housing crisis is simple ; the government needs to lift all the prohibitions on councils borrowing to finance a major house building programme.
Unfortunately,the current government won't accede to this simple logic - allowing the public sector to
build would fatally undermine rigged finance capìtalism.
For the Tories this would never do, would it?
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Handyman wrote
at 19:02:14 on 16 September 2020 |
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| seven thousand pounds each does not sound like a lot of money when you say it quick but if you multiply that by a hundred flats or so it is nearly three quarters of a million quid. Who is going to pay for this? Add this to the £800000 it is going to cost to pull the place down. I think the same as you do Rossi. Although I am an electrician by trade, and thats all I do at work, I do all my own stuff at home. I can see how these people might have been reluctant to put this cladding on, with what went on in London, and the messing about since, but you can get round that using vips on the inside.These are the best insulation you can get,and they do not burn. I came across these when I was rewiring a similar building. like you say, wiring ,kitchen,bathrooms, new door and a bloody good lick of paint. I would live in one, in fact I did once when I was a kid.I lived on Apple tree. |
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ROSSI wrote
at 17:35:45 on 16 September 2020 |
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| Handyman, there's nothing wrong with Cherry Tree Court. I live in an identical block, run by a different landlord. Mine is Salix, the block Magnolia. Thing is, the landlord of Cherry Tree has now gone beyond the pale., venturing past the point of no return ... I'll explain. The 96 tenants of Cherry Tree were paid off with about seven thousand quid each, and found alternative accommodation. Thus the Landlord, the Guinness Trust, isn't going to want to shelve their plans for the block's demolition, and some housing being put up in its place. With regard the flats, there's nothing wrong with them that a new central heating system and some mediocre kitchens and bathrooms won't fix. Also, on the plus side, Cherry Tree hasn't got any cladding, never has had ... The more that I think about it, the more credence I give to Darren's idea of Cherry Tree housing 200 homeless people. This is what should be done. Don Darren, you were right, I humbly apologise .... |
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Handyman wrote
at 14:16:22 on 16 September 2020 |
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| Out of curiosity I phoned the Guinness trust to find out about what was going on with Cherry Tree. According to the jobsworth I spoke to,they are seeking to redevelop the site, and they hope to put 6 to 8 houses on it.But THEY are looking at various proposals and when THEY have decided what THEY are going to do with it THEY will tell us. Arrogant bastard. What he meant was,we have asked the homes and communities people for £800 000 to knock it down because we told them its knackered and beyond repair plus another £600 000 to build some new houses. They are taking a flying chance on this because of the cladding thing. They will be saying it will cost too much to do it up.Spend 30 to40 k for each flat and you could have 100 cheap housing units for first time buyers from the city. cheap housing and it would provide a mix of tenure. The £1.4 million of homes and communities cash could then be spent across the road and build 30 to 40 houses. That is the grant side of them. No doubt the council will let them knock it down. They don't give a monkeys. |
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FELSEY wrote
at 08:10:16 on 16 September 2020 |
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| Just to confirm in answer to Rossi’s question that yes I still read Salford Star every day. Great source of local news and views. In comment on the homeless topic I believe everyone has the right to decent housing in fact I already made ideas to Laura Evans in her role as Greater Manchester Mayoral Conservative candidate which Laura liked. As a Christian it would please me yes to have property assigned to homeless people in my area. My worry is Council pet projects sap so much cash out of the kitty that viable options for social housing get cast aside. Ray will hate me saying it but If I was Mayor I would personally meet our Boris in me fully demanding £600million for Social housing in Salford. Families and homeless deserve better in today’s modern society, no ifs or buts. We must vote as one to bring the best changes.
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Star fan wrote
at 20:25:47 on 15 September 2020 |
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| Dear Salford Star---I'll say it for you then. ROSSI AND DARREN,SHUT THE F--K UP! |
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Salford Star wrote
at 18:07:26 on 15 September 2020 |
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| See Thick in Ted's comment below - no, the Star never, ever, writes its own comments - what would be the point of that? And yes, they are tedious. Very, very tedious! But who are we to get involved in censorship except for obvious libel and racism etc? |
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ROSSI wrote
at 17:00:43 on 15 September 2020 |
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| You're a good kid, Darren. Maybe I could use you. Not now, but when I come into some money, I could set up a little money lending operation, and use you and your dopey pillock mate from Cash Converters to collect what's owed. You suprised me Darren. You hit the nail on the head. See, the thing is, nobody wants these homeless people living near them, and for good reason. See, the thing is, we all want stability, and order, and these homeless people, they bring in the opposite. They bring in chaos, violence, vandalism and disturbance ... and that ain't right. Now okay, I live on jsa in a subsidised council flat ... but I don't want 200 homeless people living in close proximity to me ... and you Darren, a proud Little Englander, a low paid man who has bought his council house and votes Tory ... You understandably don't want 200 homeless men and women living on your street, and neither does your dopey pillock mate from Cash Converters, on his street, or the residents of leafy Worsley ... one of whom is my sister, she lives on some poncey sounding street called Beanfields, full of retired solicitors and BBC types. None of us want these people near us. Just like we don't want to live next door to paranoid schizophrenics or Rwandan war criminals or boring neighbours with bad halitosis who feel the need to talk for half an hour whenever we see them ... We just want peace, that's all ... and that's why my idea for converted shipping containers on brownfield sites is the only one that makes sense. The thing is, to implement my idea you need a man of vision, so that rules out Commander Denno. If Felsey is still reading the Star, and if he's running for Mayor, then maybe, just maybe, a free thinking man like Michael J Felse, with his vision and his ability to think outside of the box, will read this, take it on board and run with it ... |
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Thick in ted wrote
at 15:57:36 on 15 September 2020 |
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| Well if Felse needs a second when he gets in power, he can call on Darren. Does the Star write its own comments or are these real people who like to give their opinions on everything?
It is really tedious. |
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at 14:40:36 on 15 September 2020 |
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| If you want an idea of what 200 homeless on Cherrytree would be like, look no further than Mullberry and the surrounding area! Constant drinking, smoking weed (No doubt other drug taking), fighting and arguing! Every time I go to the Gataway they’re generally congregating around it or elsewhere near by scrounging for “20p mate?”. At times the Police are there and other times they just scream and fight, like a free for all. One particular time a guy was slamming another guy’s head on the wall further down near Magnolia. If you wanna do right by them, then do right by them near you, we’ve had enough of it in Pendleton. |
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Darren born bred Salford wrote
at 14:37:10 on 15 September 2020 |
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| We can't put a homeless centre near town or in the town centre because of all the swanky expensive appartments, we can't put them in ordsall because the council has big plans for that area involving moving out the born bred ordsall people and building expensive properties for yuppies, we can't put them in Salford quays because the citizens will kick off because it's to posh, we can't put the homeless centre in Worsley because the garridos will kick off, we can't put them in walkden, little hulton and Irlam areas because it's too far from town, we can't put them in Swinton because it's near the town hall and civic centre and we can't put them in Broughton and kersal areas, Broughton and kersal people will kick off as well and can't put homeless in Eccles because these people will blend in with the eccles people and can't you can't put homeless near me, I will kick off and so will all our community as well, so only one place will do.. cherry tree court or put them up in about 100 big tents on the Clarendon old high school site on Churchill way. (This will get dennett quaking in his boots because his tower block is facing the old site) we could get about 500 homeless in about 100 big tents and open up a food tent with fresh food served all day for em, and also get a shower tent for them to get clean and a clothes tent for them to get fresh clothes on. I'm sure decent good people like me and other good people would donate clothes for them. That's it. |
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ROSSI wrote
at 11:11:12 on 15 September 2020 |
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| Not in my back yard, Darren ... so how about in yours. The Council could buy up forty of the houses on your street and put in two hundred homeless, mostly drug addicted and alcoholic people, many of them mentally ill. What say you, Darren? It'd be a good idea, wouldn't it, my little puppet? C'Moan, don't be shy, give us another long winded, waffling load of old bollocks diatribe, in order to "Explain" why it wouldn't be a good idea ... |
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Born bred Darren wrote
at 23:43:05 on 14 September 2020 |
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| We had a nice family meal at teatime and while I was eating my nice big plate of lovely scran in Swinton, I thought about the poor starving homeless in Salford and Manchester sleeping outside in the cold all night. We need to house these poor bugger's somewhere and it's gotta be CHERRY TREE COURT or somewhere else. We could put about 200 homeless citizens
in this block sharing the flats and build a kitchen and canteen on the lower floors to feed em. We need a launderette and sports rooms with snooker tables, darts boards etc and a gym and a big TV room on the lower floors. We don't need to have about 5 full time cleaners on this block, get the homeless to clean up any broken bottles, cig ends, vomits etc, let them organise a cleaning group that live on the block to sort it out. We need 3 BIG security dudes on the block who can handle themselves at all times working 8hours shifts and pay em a top wage of £15 per hour for the shit and abuse they will get. We need to tell the newcomers to the block they have 3chances and that's it, security will chuck em out onto the streets. We need 4 good experienced social workers and 2 full time doctors helping these poor bugger's to help them get off drink and drugs and to help the mentally ill sort themselves out, we need to give em a chance, and after about a year on the block, most of these people might come good and then we can offer them a nicer council flat somewhere else and maybe get a decent job and not be on JSA or on any other benefits. I might even ask the social workers could i help out in some way a few hours a day helping the citizens.. Guinness partnership have owned the block since the mid 1990s and they want it to be demolished due to technical and safety reasons, basically meaning there can't be bothered spending a couple of million quid doing it up. It's now completely empty for the last 9 months, could be more, Let the council buy it and spend a million quid doing it up for the homeless. If only it was that easy.. Salford council don't seem to be doing jack shit. I know about the homeless shelter on Churchill way called narrowgate that has about 30 beds and breakfast in the morning, that's not good enough.. I'm off now up the apple and pears to bed to get me head down after that long comment, it's midnight, I've got a busy day tomorrow working. |
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ROSSI wrote
at 18:30:07 on 14 September 2020 |
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| Darren, I'm sorry amigo, but you are operating several million miles outside the realm of Reality. You just don't have a clue, do you? You've spent way too much time dicking about with your dopey pillock mate from Cash Converters. Look, housing two hundred dossers, ninety percent of them addicted to Class A drugs and booze, and at least half of them being bona fide mentally ill, in the 96 apartment Cherry Tree Court is "A RECIPE FOR DISASTER."
I mean come on, have you even took on board what the cost to the council would be? They would have to have twenty five guards doing two twelve hour shifts. That would be fifty guards per day, at nine quid an hour, seven days per week. You would need that many guards because of the nature of the new tenants. It would be like an open air Bedlam. Can you imagine how many times a week the council would be sending out glaziers to replace smashed windows? And pity the poor cleaning staff, cleaning up the vomit, fecal matter and piss in the stairwells and lifts on a daily basis. That's not mentioning the other detritus; syringes, empty cans, broken bottles etc. Then there's the increased cost to Council taxpayers for the daily visits by dozens of cops and several fire engines. Darren, your idea is a No Brainer. These people should be kept in converted shipping containers or portakabins on brownfield land. Then after a probationary period of twelve months they should be given a helping hand into subsidised accommodation. Your insane idea is like giving a bunch of pyromaniacs some fire starting materials. Thanks be that you are just a Charlie Small Potatoes debt collector, and not somebody with the power to bring your wacko ideas to fruition. |
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| What was wrong with the old Bloom Street Doss House? It was going for over 100 years. There was no dossers on the street then, they were all in there.If they went shoplifting, the police knew where to find them. It is like Amsterdam where they have all the hookers in one place, and all the other places are hooker free zones. If Rossi likes,you could put all the precinct dossers in Cherry tree. There must be 200 dossers on the precinct alone.They wouldn't have far to go each day then,as they go out grafting, which in their slang means shoplifting. Most local residents do not seem to mind smack head shoplifters. If you go into any of our local hostelries ,you will find that the local residents flock around them when they go in to flog their wares.It is amazing what these people steal to flog in pubs.It's a mad world. |
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| What was wrong with the old Bloom Street Doss House? It was going for over 100 years. There was no dossers on the street then, they were all in there.If they went shoplifting, the police knew where to find them. It is like Amsterdam where they have all the hookers in one place, and all the other places are hooker free zones. If Rossi likes,you could put all the precinct dossers in Cherry tree. There must be 200 dossers on the precinct alone.They wouldn't have far to go each day then,as they go out grafting, which in their slang means shoplifting. Most local residents do not seem to mind smack head shoplifters. If you go into any of our local hostelries ,you will find that the local residents flock around them when they go in to flog their wares.It is amazing what these people steal to flog in pubs.It's a mad world. |
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bob wrote
at 14:37:51 on 14 September 2020 |
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| Rossi, I take your point about drugs drink ect regarding some of these people,And I do accept that you are more likely than I am to know the extent of the problem. However,you cannot have people dossing on the streets. it is just not on. It is like slavery, It is just wrong, simple wrong.Thats it.Look at the Manctopia program and them people in the Doctors place. I remember the cheeky arsed lad, and the girl with a dog. At least they invited the cameras in and you could see these people were trying. sign up saying no drugs. now then, this girl got a place off the housing or something, and it looked like she seemed to be getting a job. Does anyone know what happened to this young lady and her big lovely brown dog? Please tell us. I hope they have both done well, not just to prove my point at Rossi, but because they have tried. All people in unfortunate circumstances must be given the chance to better themselves. It is not only good for them,it helps us all. |
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Born bred Darren wrote
at 13:32:00 on 14 September 2020 |
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| These homeless people have to go somewhere and cherry tree court is ideal for them. Get a big team of good social workers working from there 24 hours a day, give the poor bugger's help and support, give em dole money and a decent place to live and 95% will come good. Then there wouldn't have to go shoplifting around Salford precinct. Then after about a year getting help from a good team of social workers most of these people would get a decent job. |
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ROSSI wrote
at 12:16:21 on 14 September 2020 |
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| Bob, you are waffling a load of old Eli Wallach's about putting 200 homeless people in Cherry Tree Court. You are simply showing how out of touch you are with reality. So let me educate you. For a start, the majority of homeless people are either addicted to drink or drugs, and a great many are mentally ill. So the end result of what you are suggesting is this. Within a month the 200 homeless people now living in Cherry Tree would have been banned from all of the shops at the Precinct. Crime would have gone through the roof. The Broadwalk area would look like a cross between LA's Skid Row and Piccadilly Gardens. The Police and the Fire Brigade would be ever present. Decent neighbours from around here would be desperately trying to move to escape the pandemonium that your, and that Nob, Darren's idea would have brought. In The Final Analysis, Bob, the only people who would welcome the possibility of 200 homeless moving into Cherry Tree Court would be the local drug dealers ... They would be salivating at the prospect. |
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 11:41:38 on 14 September 2020 |
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| Salford Tories?? You're having a laugh, aren't you?? Over the last twenty years they have contributed absolutely zilch to the wellbeing of our city! What's their policy on affordable housing,cladding or austerity - answers on a postcard please! They are solely concerned with defending middle class privilege !
This decrepitude of Salford Tories is mirrored at
a national level;we have an expensively educated moroñ as prime minister! Boris Johnson is more interested in philandering and shagging than governing the country ; his mantra of "a Global Britain" is thinly disguised invocation of the British Empire and the subjugation of brown and yellow skinned people! Johnson is a national disgrace and needs to be turned out of office now! |
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at 20:30:30 on 13 September 2020 |
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| bobs on fantasy island another bullshitting diatribe and still obsessed with mr dennet i think you should get help bob your delusions are getting worse get yourself a little stall on the market and sell some trinkets give your little brain something to occupy itself so it stops thinking daft thoughts and making things up . |
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Bob the confessor wrote
at 20:01:29 on 13 September 2020 |
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| Ray, Mr wrote and all those other people who said that people like me and others who bought their council houses, under Mrs Thatchers right to buy scheme actually stole them. Well,it was a good price, and I was tempted so I stole it. I confess, and hope others follow my example and purge their consciences.
Should this purging of conscience also apply to those who bought houses under labours right to buy scheme under John Precott, better known as pathfinder.About 20 odd years ago, me and a pal were working on houses down Langworthy. It was a bit rough then.This guy asked us if we wanted to buy his house as he had been broke into and had enough. Price wasn't much and we bought it between us with intention of doing it up.We were busy and the months passed and it got worse down there.Next thing you know, the council tinned it up with a few more in the street and said it was coming down, which it turned out was a lie cos its still there. So we went to the council ,and argued the toss like you do.It worked out that we got after expenses about 990 quid each more than we had paid. We were more lucky than some. I went past the other week on foot, the house is still there, (its not really, its only the front wall) 170 grand in that street. So in a way, my house was stolen from me, cos I was told it was coming down. Will Commander Scruffy say he is sorry to me for stealing my house? Well until he does, I will have to take back my apology for stealing his.Or do two wrongs make a right? They used to in Salford. |
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Bob wrote
at 16:33:07 on 13 September 2020 |
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| Dear Mr Mr Wrote I do not think you understand housing do you. Like most people in our country you have been brainwashed to think it expensive and something to argue about.If you look on the internet,you will find that in some parts of Italy, nice pretty places with mountain views, the local mayor will give you an old house for nothing to do up. If you live there for 5 years,he will give you 5000 euros. look it up. I bought an old cottage for 15000 euros intending to go over this year. Due to my aching old bones ,not the virus, I cannot do it up so I let a friend have it for what I paid. There is always a room for me so I'll be able to go next year. What I said was that my house is not for sale. One day it will house one of my grankids, probably my eldest grandson but he is nowhere ready yet.In the meantime I was going to rent it to my pals daughter for whatever the housing will pay and unlike other greedy landlords,not asking for any more like they do.She lives with my mate and has a kid,(she is 100 per cent Salford as well) so she is no priority for Dennetts housing crew. And I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be chucking her out if one of mine needed it in years to come.What is the difference, paying rent to me, or to fat cat rich directors on 4 grand a week at our wonderful housing providers?You believe in your in your Labour utopia, I can understand why people do. When people stop believing in god, they dont believe in nothing, they believe in any old bullshit. Socialism, footballism,soap-opera-ism.ect.any old crap. Anyway, you are going to find out yourself next year when Dennett and all his crew are going. They know they are going, I know they are going and both them and I know why,but you will just have to wait a little while to find out.Like I said Dennett can have his house back for what I paid for it. All he has to do is give me permission to build a house in a field of my choosing. Your mate Dennett cares nothing about working class labour voters, but will fight to the death to protect the rights of the rich,as he has shown here. I bet the legal fees here are millions. Dennett won, winners dont pay, but if he had lost, millions down the drain. |
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Bob wrote
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| A great idea from wrote at 18.25, but it is a bit one sided. The people of Worsley might not like the idea of a big council estate on what is in effect their front door. Whilst the idea is good and worth serious consideration, we must take a more balanced approach to matter. The good people of Worsley, to be fair, take great care to keep their area clean and tidy, and are good role models to other Salford citizens in this respect, and they also have their own severe housing problems. Houses are very expensive in Worsley. Many of their young people do not earn much more than Salford youngsters .Young people have to resort to that great financial institution BOMAD. The bank of mum and dad.This causes great stress on their tight fisted parents, who have worked hard for what they got. Then there are the rich grandparents, worrying about going into a piss stenching old folks home, paying a grand a week for the privilege, and having to flog their family house to pay for it , A house that should be a nice inheritance for their family. They think its not fair because the lazy people who were on the dole all their lives get to stay in the piss soaked old folks home for nothing. The answer is is to build what are called mu se lti generation homes. Say a big family house with a couple of self contained flats built into it ,or a bungalow behind the garage. this can be configured say as one two or three dwellings. Our pal in the Isle of Man could offer say 150-160 of these 3 dwelling plots, on a very advantageous rate, no deposit,restricted to our young Worsley folk, with parental guarantees, subject of course to planning permission.In the many local golf clubs, and masonic lodges the local accountants, financial planners, solicitors, small builders and contractors would soon see the sense of all this. Bomad money would be spared ,Inheritance money saved, kids housed locally plus, the best part, they would all make loads out of it. Of course, one or two local die hard nimbys might not like it. It would split the Civic trust in half. I could even see the Garidos argueing with each other about it.Its a great Idea, and we could couple it with wrotes idea and make it even better. We could have protest marches all the way from Worsley green, down Worsley road to the town hall. we could start also at the town hall and finnish on the green. We could have drinks stations on the way to cater for our thirsty marchers, dishing out large amounts of free strong lager and cider. We could have people like Ray giving rousing speeches on the Green about Torys and housing. I would be there, cheering all our speakers on,even Ray. Then of course our wise planners would have to make a choice. Plan A , plan B
or neither. Come on Mr Whitiker, I know for sure that you are not the big bad ogre that our lefty councillors make out that you are. Our council have taken the piss out of you. Bullies like them need teaching a lesson. I cannot speak for Mr Wrote, but I have people here who are ready to give his and my idea a go, with of course a reasonable success fee for the winner if any. |
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at 11:08:15 on 13 September 2020 |
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| well mr bob are you leaving your stolen council house to your mates daughter to rent your grandaughter or now its your grandson stick to the script eh when you go and live in a mud hut in italy or whatever other country you make up in your empty little head.what a ignorant statement about workers getting allowances for free no bob those workers who you are slagging off typical tory bob worked hard for the benefits they now get and many are probably suffering ill health miners for sure.you seem a very unhappy person bob full of bile you abuse without evidence accusing people of pissing money up the wall well at least they had a good time not like you you moaning rat i think you are jealous bob going on about people with 2 bank books and what is that you think mr dennet can do for you unlike you mr dennet put on record that he is against the buying of council housing a man of principle but you took advantage of thatchers policy to steal council housing because despite your denials you are a tory scumbag and you robbed that house you exist in leading to a housing shortfall for vulnerable people do you feel ashamed its not mr dennets fault you feel guilty stop the blame game mr goody two shoes bob i think you are a bullshitter and live in la la land sort your head out you ignorant pea brained poser . |
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| Many a true word spoke in jest. Bob has finally got back to the issue at hand. This Broadoak planning.The boss of peel must be as fed up with our council as we are, but for different reasons.It is obvious now, he is never going to get permission for what he wants here. So why does he not put in for permission to build 600 affordable 4 bed houses only for salford people on the dole. If successful, the dole pay £200 a week each direct for the Giro crew. Thats £10400 a year. What the requirement would be to get allocated such a nice house would be that the applicant had to get a signature from all three serving councillors on the ward where they lived, stating that the applicant was a suitable person to be housed. applicants would of course be given priority who lived in a ward where at least one councillor sat on the planning committee. I am sure our ward councillors would like to be lobbied and meet their electorate.I am sure Councillor Ray would welcome this idea as well. It would also put to good use some derelict waste land. And last but not least,it would cause great joy to a large number of the Stars many readers. |
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Bob wrote
at 16:37:10 on 12 September 2020 |
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| Well Ray let us hope the Mayor takes up my kind offer to sell him back my council house for what I paid for it, and to make it easy for him to put whoever he likes in it,I will drop my original thoughts about putting restrictive covenants limiting its occupation to people born and bred in Salford. Ray raises the idea of some sort of flying militant pickets turning up at Tims site. I am no lover of Tim, as Dennett appears to be, but I have no grudge at all against him, he is only a young lad trying to make a few quid. I dont know what he would do with these pickets but I know what I would do if I had a site. I would welcome them with open arms. You see, if Dennett agreed to my terms, I would be over to the isle of man knocking on Mr whitikers door. I am sure he would be delighted to flog me a little plot right in the middle of this Broadoak plot we talk about here.Rays little lefty mob would come in very handy dealing with all the "Tory Bastards", Civic Trust SS and all the rest of the Worsley nimby fascists who would already in place no doubt, giving me a bucketload of shite. For good measure, I perhaps might have to send for little Tommy to stand in the Tory lines,just to spark it off. But it would never get that far, Dennett would never upset his Worsley masters. They know how to get rid of this shitbag council, but they dont want to, for it would mean that they might have to run Salford themselves.Far better to have Dennett in his place doing as he is told. Dennett is the best Tory vote raiser the Tories have ever had in Worsley. Just ask the Garidos. |
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Bob wrote
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| look Mr wrote at 23.09. How many times do I have to say I hate the Tories as much as I hate Labour.Despite building many houses over the years,I was never in a position to buy one and ended up in a council house.Ford workers get cheap cars,brewery workers get free beer,former miners get free fuel allowance,building workers dont get cheap houses. I did not have a works pension like the lazy people who work for the council get, so instead of smoking my balls off on baccy and weed,and pissing all my money up the wall,like I suspect people like you do,I put money aside for my retirement to keep my car going and get a few holidays in warm places.It dawned on me that i would not get my rent and rates paid when i retired because i had made provision for my retirement, unlike those that had pissed their money up the wall who would get it paid. I had a choice, give them all my money in rent that I had saved,get nothing in return, and see my money disappear slowly, or see it disappear fast and get a house for it. A house that my grandson who is a young born and bred 100 per cent Salford lad can live in it when he is old enough and wants to. I have a good friend who is the same as me,we worked on a lot of jobs together, he says I am daft buying my council house, and he has not bought his. He has 2 bank accounts and gets his rent paid, and there are many like him that I know.These are all good working class people ,who have worked their balls off all their lives and have all voted Labour.Many in our generation do not get work related pensions. Unlike other jealous shitbags, I have no moral judgement to make on these people. I like my house and will never sell it, unless Dennett moves some shitbags in next door like he seems to have done on his own block. I did what was best for me and my family and do not care what the jealous bastards think who pissed their money up the wall. To those who have a genuine opposition to council houses from a political position, I say this. I will give Dennett back his council house, for the exact price I paid for it, if he allows me to use all that money to buy a piece of land within the Salford metropolitan district,of my choosing, and gives me permission to build my own house. My kids can fund the materials.It would not be a big house, because the money he would be giving me back would not be very much,and land is expensive.Its a good deal for Dirty Den. my house is worth four and half times what I paid for it. I cannot be fairer than that. |
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 11:55:20 on 12 September 2020 |
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| How can anyone defend subbing £11 Million of Çhargepayers' Money to property developers? Think of what could be done with £11 Million for the provision of extra Soçial Care?
Coming down the track is a massive financial crisis for Local Government;Salford,it is rumoured,because of the knock-on effects of Covid-19,faces a shortfall of £200 Million in next year's budget! In such dire circumstances,people are going to get very angry about sweetheart deals with property spivs!
Reflecting on the Mançtopia Series Ì wondered , how long will the losers of the property racket put up with being shafted? What would the likes of Tim do if their developments were targeted by activists calling for justice when it comes to meeting housing needs? "We're as mad as hell and we aren't going to take it anymore!!" |
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Bob wrote
at 01:58:06 on 12 September 2020 |
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| You know Ray, it gets worse.Its even worse in Manchester than it is here.Just been looking at that £11million loan Manchester Council lent to a firm of developers to buy up land in the City.This company is registered in the tax haven Cayman Islands. We know what Corbyn and Labour said about these places.Apparently this company told the council that they were going to invest £200million in the city. People with that sort of money and clout surely don't need to go cap in hand to the local council do they? And despite Ray not liking him, Sir Richard Lice does have a head for numbers and is no mug when it comes to money. Its not a tale of two Cities. Its a tale of four cities. Salford ,Manchester,Soddom and Gommorah. |
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| well bob the people did own council houses and they were passed on however because of pretentious people like you who stole them they cant be passed on anymore they are lost to the community and a history lesson labour in 1945 built millions of council houses and at least labour are building council houses again to help replace houses robbed by you ponces who had no right to buy for whatever spurious reasons you try to justify you created this housing crisis you thatcher voting creep hang your head in shame you have no right to an opinion on any housing issue now shut up. |
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Bob wrote
at 22:44:59 on 11 September 2020 |
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| Ray again ,he never gives up does he? he is so pig headed and opinionated. Lets look at the Barracks TMO. They saved the lovely houses on the barracks square 30 years ago. The labour council would have knocked them down and rebuilt.And by now they, they would be just ready for knocking down again and flogging the land to a developer.TMO organisations do not cause a split between them and housing providers, because if they are done proper the housing providers are got rid off.The barracks did not take full powers, so there is a provider.The boss there was a guy called Jonathan. He is a Quaker.I know nothing about the Quaker faith, but I know Quakers are good at social housing. Cadbury,Fry, Rowntree and Peabody were all Quakers and social housing people.Jonathan was a nice kind guy and I cant imagine for one minute him being entrenched in any argument. Housing providers are all wankers round here.They do not give a shit about the people.Why did the council flog those houses to city west for less than 3grand each? They could have flogged them to the people for that, better still just give them to the people. thats what they did in Romania and Bulgaria when they kicked the commies out.How many houses have labour built and knocked down in the last forty years,thousands in salford alone. |
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 12:00:53 on 11 September 2020 |
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| Tènánt Mànagèmeñt Òrgañisatìons aren't the answer to the Housing Crisis - they entrench divisions between tenants and self-conscious,cadre of housing professionals. Human nature being what it is,these professionals would game the system to their own advantage!
Failing housing providers should have their right
to provide a service revoked - responsibility for
housing should come back under council control! Tenants should have the right,backed by statute, to demand repairs! To fund a long-term house building programme,councils should levy a tax on private house sales in their area. |
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bob wrote
at 11:37:01 on 11 September 2020 |
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| Heres another good idea for the residents of Dennetts faulty towers, one that even the great man himself might go for.Why don't your lot merge with The barracks housing group at Ordsall? down at Barracks housing, they have mainly ground level houses for families ,whereas yours are all flats. It would make sense for people whose families have grown up and left to leave and take one of your flats, thereby freeing up a house for people who need a house say with 3 beds. It could also work the other way round. It could be a nice Symbiotic relationship. |
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Bob the odious little shit wrote
at 11:26:05 on 11 September 2020 |
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| Ray here, explains what is going on in the Labour Party.Sir Richard Lice is the boss of the party on Manchester Council. Manchester don't have the Mayor system like we do, so he is equal to Dennett. He is dreadful.Like Ray, I also see a big crash coming. But the point I made about the pension cash. That cash in the pension fund is invested in Legal and general. The fact is, Dennetts and sir richard Lice's , and sir Howard Bernsteins (retired chief exec manchester city council) will be paid for out of profits from this fund at legal and general. Ray believes this money is tainted, so do I ,and I salute him for that. In a way, both Ray and me, genuinely support the idea of betterment for the ordinary Salford working class people. It is just that he thinks they should all live in council houses and do as they are told by the labour council.I think they should all own their own homes, and do what they like as long as its legal and does no harm to other citizens, and that they should all tell our Labour council to fuck off, which they will be doing next May. |
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bob wrote
at 10:52:41 on 11 September 2020 |
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| To our Unhappy people at Dennetts faulty towers I can only say, it must be down to Dennett. He is very pally with the board and they will do nothing to upset him.Like I said, the law says you can take control of the block.Once that happens,the company that you set up to take over can then transfer the lats to the tennants who want to buy them ,and lend them the cash to do so.The law says it can do this. It is only a paper transaction. you dont need to go to the likes of the halifax for a mortgage. If you work,and pay your own rent,you would be quids in. its all a paper transaction.Forget all the bullshit they are saying about taking morons as you put it sent by housing search. I can name one housing association that operates in our city that point blank refuses to take people from the local authority. If you are a TMO you can be like this also. |
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Johnny Blue wrote
at 08:39:38 on 11 September 2020 |
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| Come off it RaylessSunshine there is just nothing wrong with Mr Felse spending the maximium cash in the Mayoral it will be good to see a razzle dazzle campaign. Does it hurt u thinking Salford Labour does not have three coins to throw into one of their pet project fountains, thousands wasted that could have housed the homeless for months instead. Look at the mess they have made of Buile Hill and the silly mass planning approvals on thousands of yuppie box flats while thousands of Labour voting families are left on the housing waiting list. I expect Mr Felse will be shaking the tree hard in a Salford where silly Labour hasn’t got a clue. |
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 21:41:18 on 10 September 2020 |
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| Bob,you odious shit,no,Ì don't support the idea
of the council divvyinģ up with L&G ! My opposition flows from my sense of morality and a belief that chargepaýer's money should not be used to fund an activity little better than gambling!
Mark my words,we are heading towards the mother of all property crashes - my fear that in such circumstances bourgeois lackeys such as Sir Richard Leese will "pass the hat round " to save the bacon of the property spivs! Such "sweet charity" should be vigorously opposed - even it leads to a major
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 20:52:12 on 10 September 2020 |
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| Typical Felse-he presumes that he can buy the forthcoming mayoral election! Just goes to show that
whilst you can take the man from corrupt Dòncaster,
you cannot take corrupt Doncàster from the man ! |
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| @ Bob: We used to have that right to discriminate and have potential tenants provide 2 references and sign up to the Co-op’s values and aims. I don’t think they do that anymore. I was told they have to consider who Salix sends their way and offer to the most “in need” or who fits the Council’s “Criteria”. This is why we get a few morons who make trouble now and again, the office and board have to accept. |
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| @Bob, They actually had the system looked at/investigated by an expert, they found that it was working properly. Yet my hot water can still be knocked off at times when I put my heating on, and vice versa. Assuming it can’t be fixed by “Clearing error” manually it can take them days to come out to fix it. My bill is also higher than it used to be before the new Groundheat system was put in, so I barely have the heating on now. Luckily I’m not elderly, but a few are here who have to use heaters now. That’s not just because the system isn’t always reliable, but because even with the heating on the flat isn’t very warm. |
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| Hey Felse which one of your companies has paid that then? The one you were crowdfunding to start up? Time to start being honest because you have just opened yourself up to lots of public scrutiny. |
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Bob wrote
at 13:17:47 on 10 September 2020 |
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| If Candidate Felse is to save Salford from Dennetts socialist utopia, might it not be a good idea to have a trial run first,to see how he goes on? We hear in this journal of the plight of the citizens in comrade Dennetts Bastile, Albion Towers. Could it be an idea for General Felse to park his panzers on Dennetts lawn there to render assistance to these poor souls and liberate them from their socialist and salix bureaucratic misery ,should they request his learned assistance in setting up a powerful residents TMO, more powerful than the one they already have? |
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