So, have you ever been on a demo?
JM: "Of course I have. I was demonstrating about grants when I was a student, I was demonstrating against what I saw was an attack on abortion rights, I"ve been on lots of demonstrations."
Were you ever charged for going on them?
"Things have changed since those days."
These are schoolkids - what are they going to think of democracy?
"We've dealt with this in the same way that we would deal with similar demonstrations in Salford - we would pass on the charge. At every event we organise we have to pay the charges for closing the road, like the Triathlon."
What, so you paid for that but not for this?
"We're not making anything out of it."
You are, through Urban Vision.
"Ok, indirectly, all the other local authorities have to pay for road closures, this was a health and safety matter."
Bollocks, it's unheard of.
"We haven't singled them out, these are charges we would make for a similar demonstration."
You're putting a price on human rights. In Salford, the birthplace of democracy, Chartists, the TUC.
"The Vegetarian Society."
Whatever, now it's the death place of it all.
"Well fine, you persuade the police not to levy charges for this sort of thing."
It's not the police, it's Urban Vision.
"You'll see that apart from your indirect charges argument we're not making anything out of it."
It's putting a charge on democracy.
"There isn't a price on democracy, there's a price on closing a particular road, which isn't the same."