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SALFORD RESIDENTS PUSHED OUT THROUGH ORDSALL PROPERTY BOOM
 

Star date: 5th May 2016

AS PROPERTY DEVELOPERS GRAB ORDSALL WHERE IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

"I've lived here all my life but I feel like we're being pushed out of the way" Linda

Ordsall is being squeezed by developers and speculators cashing in on MediaCityUK on one side, Manchester on the other and some tasty real estate in the middle.

But where does this leave the long standing community who feel they are being pushed out?

Full details click here...


Ordsall Property Boom
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Linda has lived in her social rent house in Ordsall for 44 years, first with her parents and, for the last thirty years as a tenant in her own right. It's her family home. But now she's got to move, with the crippling Bedroom Tax adding £90 a fortnight to her rent...

"It's heartbreaking" she says "I've got all my neighbours around me and everyone knows everyone else. I've got to downsize but there's no properties available at the moment..."

No properties? No properties!!! Ordsall is teaming with properties. Everywhere you look there's newly built properties or workmen building new properties, and big hoardings announcing the latest housing plans. From Trafford Road to Ordsall Lane, from Radclyffe Park to Robert Hall Street, development is booming. But long standing residents of Ordsall are convinced that none of it is for them.

"I've lived here all my life" says Linda "but I feel like we're being pushed out of the way. They should be building more affordable houses."

On Robert Hall Street and at Hulton Square, to rent one of the new town houses costs £975 per month, while a two bedroom apartment at Steele House on the re-branded `Ordsall Waterfront' was up for sale at £145,000; advertised as being `ideal for investors' with potential rents valued at £800 per month.

At the Welcome Inn on Robert Hall Street, Jeri has every sympathy for Linda... "She's being forced out" she agrees "There will be no council houses here soon, I think; it will be all private houses. And no-one from here will be able to afford to live here. Who can afford £800 a month? You can knock on every new house and no-one will be from here. Nine out of ten haven't grown up on the Ordsall estate."

Indeed, because of its sheer proximity to Manchester on one side and MediaCityUK on the other, Ordsall is being squeezed by developers who see it as the latest addition to their `Manchester' Monopoly board...

The marketing of Bridgewater Gate, a block of 53 `fashionable apartments' being built on Ordsall Lane, is a case in point. Here, prices start at £114,995 for a tiny studio apartment and rise to £167,495, minimum, for a three bedroom flat...

"This superb residential development caters for all investor budgets, needs and requirements" states the hype by investment company Knight Knox "With expected NET returns of circa 6%, Bridgewater Gate presents itself as an optimal investment opportunity for savvy investors who realise the true potential of Salford as a booming buy-to-let market..."

The problem is that the community don't want their neighbourhood being turned into a `buy-to-let' market. They want real homes for themselves, their kids and their grandkids. Mike, who has lived in Ordsall for 55 years, is having a pint at the Bricklayers Arms, literally across the road from the site of Bridgewater Gate and its sister development, Bridgewater Point where the first phase of 134 `bespoke investment properties' has already sold out.

"No locals will be able to afford these apartments" he says "It seems to be at the expense of local people. The community is being pushed out and you will not find anyone who will totally agree with it..."

No-one, that is, except Salford City Council, run by the Labour Party, which seems to be giving developers a green light to do as they please, without providing any affordable housing or putting anything back into the community. Last summer, the Council brought out a new Supplementary Planning Document, or SPD, which classified land at Ordsall Riverside as a `mid value' area.

Previously, developers building flats in this area would have to provide between 10% and 20% affordable properties within their schemes and pay planning fees towards local amenities and infrastructure, based on an amount per bed space built. For Bridgewater Point this would have been £966,060, and for Bridgewater Gate it would have been £241,515, giving a total back to the community of well over £1million. The two schemes would also have to contribute around 25 affordable properties.

However, under the new policy, Salford Council completely wiped out any need for developers to provide any affordable homes or pay anything for building flats, arguing that it would affect the `viability' of the schemes, ie the developer's profit...

"The potential for apartment schemes in Ordsall Riverside to support planning obligations was assessed by the City Council as part of the preparation of the updated planning obligations SPD (2015)" stated the Council planning report for Bridgewater Gate "This involved a strategic assessment of viability and concluded that apartment developments within Ordsall Riverside would not be able to support planning obligations."

The developer's profit, based on Council figures, would be over £7million for Bridgewater Point and Bridgewater Gate. On top of this add the buy-to-let investors' returns of around 6% per year, and the place is awash with big, big money. It's everywhere. Except within the community itself. Freshly released Government statistics class inner Ordsall, where the long standing community live, as within the 3%-7% most deprived areas in England.

"What are the prospects for local people in Ordsall?" asks Cheryl Gibbons, who, is the landlady at the Bricklayers Arms and also manages the Shaw Trust shop, one of two charity shops out of six new units at Radclyffe Park. She answers her own question...

 "Zero...None...Zilch" she insists "They're not doing anything for local residents who have lived here a long time. They're doing it for everyone else they're going to drag in. I've said it at meetings... `We can't afford these houses that you are throwing up'; I spoke to one of the architects and asked if he lived in one of the houses and he said `Yes', and I said `Yes, but on your salary, we don't have those salaries here in Ordsall'.

"They're not looking at the people who have been in Ordsall for all these generations" Cheryl adds, while serving second hand toys and clothes in the packed charity shop "They're just being greedy, I think, because they're appealing to the people at Media City. They don't want Ordsall as an estate; they want to change it into something completely different."

Away from the Ordsall Waterfront and its swish, unaffordable apartments, Salford Council has handed over the whole inner estate to LPC Living for redeveloping, based on a `Development Framework' cobbled together over ten years ago. This stated that much of the new housing "will be affordable for Ordsall residents".

Since then LPC claims "607 affordable properties built" - which is almost every single house and flat the company has constructed. However, a quick glance at the sales prices shows that, when built in 2011, three bedroom terraced houses in Hulton Square went for between £149,500 and £154,900. Even a two bedroom flat on the scheme cost £132,901. Hardly `affordable' in `real' Ordsall, where the average household income is around £21,000.

LPC does have various `Help To Buy' and `First Time Buyer' schemes but the official Housing Monitor for Greater Manchester, which includes Salford, shows that the typical household income of first time buyers is over £38,000. It then deconstructed the help deals and concluded that its evidence "highlights how difficult it is and will be in the foreseeable future to gain access to owner occupation".

This would explain the sight of a Porsche parked outside one of the new townhouses and a statement from Simon Ashdown, director at LPC Living, who said "The properties at Hulton Square appeal to a variety of people including families and professionals due to its proximity to MediaCity and good transport links to Manchester."

For Salford City Council it's all about what it calls "housing market health", through "the provision of housing for the economically active and providing a mix of tenure". In other words, it's not interested in providing more social housing for those who need it most.

"They're building houses all of the same ilk" Cheryl explains "I've told them, all our families, children grandchildren are being fielded out because there's no housing available. They're leaving the area because they can't afford the housing; it's for people on higher incomes."

The Salford Star invited LPC to answer various questions on the number of affordable properties it's built, how it defines `affordable' and how many of its properties have been bought by landlords renting them out at £975 per month. LPC wouldn't comment. The Star further asked LPC to respond to the perception that the new properties are not affordable for the community and not aimed at them. Again, the company declined to comment.

As has been shown by the Salford Star (see past issues and the website), in all of Salford's regeneration areas redevelopment has been about diluting the city's social and economic problems rather than solving them, and Ordsall is no different.

The influx of what the LPC director called `professionals', has pushed the median household income of the Ordsall ward as a whole (which includes Media City and the Ordsall Waterfront) up to £30,479, the fourth highest in Salford, ranking alongside the likes of Worsley, Boothstown and Claremont. The ward has also seen the city's biggest improvement in deprivation rankings, moving up six places according to latest Government indices.

Yet, at the same time, the estate itself, or inner Ordsall, is classed by the Government as within the worst ten per cent of areas in England for employment, child poverty and `income deprivation'.

Morrisons, on the new Radclyffe Park development, was supposed to be a `catalyst for regeneration' and two hundred jobs but closed recently. And don't talk to anyone about MediaCityUK and the BBC sparking employment. Even Labour Party Mayor candidate, Paul Dennett, has denounced the BBC, stating in his campaign literature that "in the first round of new jobs, only 26 Salfordians were employed there".

Meanwhile, the influx of new population of all nationalities has put a strain on local health and education services, with people complaining they can't get appointments at the new health centre and the dentists; while local kids in the reception and nursery classes have to re-apply for places in Year 1 at the recently built Primrose Hill Primary School.

For civic campaigner, Adam Prince, who with others, has been trying to oppose Peel Holdings' plans for thousands of flats on Pomona across the Manchester Ship Canal in Trafford, the strain on public services in Ordsall is going to get worse.

"With Pomona there's no need for any infrastructure in any of the masterplans" he explains "They are just building rich ghetto neighbourhoods and if those people use the health and public services they will saturate them and stretch resources. Peel doesn't have any social obligation to provide these things; it's just facilitated to make their own private profits and it's going to leave a damaging legacy."

On the estate itself, as boulevards spring up and an allotment has been added, remnants of the old community's heart have been airbrushed out with a bulldozer. The British Legion community venue has been demolished, along with the old health centre and what was left of the precinct. The sites are all earmarked for houses, apartments and `public realm', with the centre of the estate swept out to the Trafford Road edge, facing the Quays. Even the old dole office on Trafford Road is being converted into fancy apartments.

"I've seen a few changes" says 72 year old William Norton, sitting in the Welcome Inn "Ordsall was like one family but it's gone. The flats and houses are not for local people with the prices they are asking, Media City hasn't helped and even the Legion has gone. It's not the same."

The one mainstay is Salford Lads Club, where politicians and business exec tourists flock to get their Smiths street cred, while blinkered to what is going on elsewhere on the estate.

"When I first came here there were three job centres, now there's none; we had two nights of the youth service, in dedicated youth centre space, and that's gone" says Gail Skelly, who has worked at Ordsall Community Arts, or OCA, for twelve years.

"The only youth activity is two workers who do the girls club on Tuesday at the Lads Club and some stuff at Oasis" she adds "The youth service in terms of Salford Community Leisure has been reduced, and while there have been other self contained projects as well, in terms of regular activities for young people, there's less."

OCA itself, which will be forty years old in 2019, is "financially endangered", Gail explains, with proposals by Salford City Council to cut its grant. This despite OCA having a really strong group of volunteers, including those who have moved into the area wanting to integrate into the existing community.

"The young people who came here as kids are now volunteering too, and that's key for our existence" Gail adds "But you need to pay people to facilitate that or you can't do anything large scale or of any scope.

"There's two very different pictures in Ordsall" she insists "There's the housing development and what difference that has made to the local population; and there's the withdrawal of central government funding which has made a massive impact on services provided by the local authority."

It's a damning indictment of the premise that throwing loads of expensive houses up is somehow going to help a community. Even MediaCityUK, almost across the road from where OCA operates, has had absolutely no impact on the art organisation's sustainability...

"The Quays Culture partnership was set up to programme large shows that would attract visitors; it's to make the Peel investment culturally interesting and to entice visitors to come and buy hotel rooms and restaurant spaces" Gail explains "Economic regeneration isn't community regeneration, it's a completely different thing."

Salford Council has recently extended its deal with LPC for a further five years, to build another 425 houses and apartments...."This agreement is further good news for Ordsall" said outgoing Salford Mayor Ian Stewart "Five years down the line, we will be in an even better position and Ordsall residents will reap the benefits of our commitment to making life better for them."

But, five years down the line, will residents like Linda, crippled by Bedroom Tax and without an affordable alternative, still be living in Ordsall? 


FIVE SCHEMES THAT LOST ORDSALL ALMOST £4MILLION

Development                                 Lost Planning Fee      Lost Affordable Housing

Villafont Ltd and
Simandhar Swami LLP

372 apartments
Woden St                                         £1,221,278                                    75apts

Beaumont Morgan Developments
260 apartments/13 townhouses
Off Ordsall Lane                              £1,207,575                        25 apts/1townhouse

Knight Knox International
113 apartments
Trafford Road                                       £600,000                                     11apts

MMGG Properties
142 apartments
Gresham Mill                                        £630,902                                      14 apts

Elm Homes Ltd
126 apartments
Back of Ordsall Fit City                         £300,000                                    12 apts


Total Lost Planning Fees:                     £3,959,755
Total Lost Affordable Housing:             138 units

*Figures are taken from actual Salford Council planning reports unless not stated in reports. In these cases payments were estimated using the Council's own tables.

**Salford Council has changed its policy towards developers providing affordable housing in `mid value' areas for apartment development. These are estimates and actuals based on former policy of between 10% and 20% of the total.

***Only MMGG Properties paid anything at all towards planning fees - £55,000


This article appears in the latest print issue 11 of the Salford Star - to read the whole magazine click here

Main photo shows Ordsall's legal graffiti wall


Janice wrote
at 08:32:41 on 01 September 2020
RayofS begins to peel back the inside story. In admitting Labour Council raided the narcos means the hidden plan was to remove their streets. Thousands of innocent local residents casualties of their Pathfinder Plan. This deserves a TV investigation along with a Salfordgate investigation. Labour worked behind the backs of their voters demolashing their family homes, herding them out, destroying the loved communities, in fact causing mental health using an undercover plan against the minority drug pushers and it was wrong. People voted Labour for a better life what they got was destruction, abuse and trickery. It is a time to pay the piper. Salford Labour must be held to account. Salford Lives Matter.
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 20:21:35 on 31 August 2020
Bob,Salford Councillors assisted the war against drugs by passing òñ local intelligence to the police; during his time in office, Mayòr Iañ Stewart,co-ordinated several assaults against the narcos ìn Salford!
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at 16:44:30 on 31 August 2020
@ Ray “I'm fully booked up with vigorously fighting for the re-election of Mayor Dennett! Felsey,you should be afraid , very afraid.“ I can only assume Ray supports the gentrification his Mayor and his administration have been carrying on with. And once again, it’s only partially the Tories fault, the rest is at the feet of the Salford Labour in the Council.
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at 11:09:41 on 31 August 2020
whats the beef bob all you thatcherite voters got what you wanted a bought council house no industry left no social security and the lowest pension in the developed world soon to be reduced triple locks going and the kids selling drugs on every corner with a mister big on every street the chickens are coming home to roost suffer you tory whinger.
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Salford Experiment wrote
at 10:13:59 on 31 August 2020
At last the truth is emerging about the Narcos Pathfinder Plan invented by Labour. Billions spent on knocking down streets in attempt to remove the local drug pushers. Thousands of decent residents lost their homes in the plan as unfortunate victims. Did it work. No it just moved the drug pushers around to other streets that then needed allygateing as part of the relocation plan. That made movement harder for the gangs. Labour’s second stab at the victims was to bring in the thousands of low income migrants changing the mixture of communities. It was expected to change the balance of control from localised gangs into a mixed cultural society. Unexpected by Labour it brought many other problems. And all those local residents remain victims of the Labour failed plan.
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Bob wrote
at 20:30:53 on 30 August 2020
Could our Ray perhaps have given us an insight as to Labour thinking regarding the "narcos problem" as he calls it. In other words , we don't really know who is in these gangs, and who is not, so lets ship the lot of em out and knock their houses down. Think about it, the way they used pathfinder. It was not just about knocking good red brick houses down, like Last Man Standings, while leaving identical houses standing yards away. They knocked down lots of their own stuff as well.Some of it pretty good stuff. It pisses me off to say it, but thinking about it, it looks like they have achieved what they set out to do. What a waste.
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 13:15:50 on 30 August 2020
Felsey,from your last demented rant it's obvious to all and sundry that you've been bingeing on QAnon Videos - the visagè of all those hunky American Patriots packing M15's and hollering "The Great Awakening " have clearly tipped you over the edge! If,putting aside the FACT that you are a pathological liar,and you do indeed stand for mayor, then I hope you have a good lawyer to ward off the numerous libel suìts bound to come your way! During the Locust Years of the 1980's - late 90's, Labour Councillors stood up to the narcos putting themselves and their loved ones attractive considerable risk! What were you doing during this selfsame period - tipping your hat to the far right! As to my diary commitments for May 2021,I'm fully booked up with vigorously fighting for the re-election of Mayor Dennett! Felsey,you should be afraid , very afraid.
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Bob wrote
at 12:45:54 on 30 August 2020
Commander Scruffy. (see comment below), I like that one so I googled it, sniggering to myself. XXXX me, couldn't believe it. It comes up as Commander Scruffy the nerd herder, and there's a cartoon picture with a circle on it that just looks like the Cunt himself. Been laughing my balls off all morning thinking about it. Commander Scruffy needs a dose of his own medicine. We need a new housing administration that will declare Scruffy Hall unfit for human in habitation and knock it down, and pay him balls all in compensation.
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Harold Wilson wrote
at 19:49:51 on 29 August 2020
Felse don't blame me! Look at your own party, oh I forgot, you don't have one as no-one wants you.
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at 17:57:27 on 29 August 2020
Good to hear from Last Man Standing again. I hope you are well. What these bastards did to you was diabolical, and to all the others as well. Your courage highlighted the mischief these people were up to. Let us hope the people have little mercy on your enemies. Let them spare one, and I think he will be the one spared. Let them spare Commander Scruffy, so he can stand alone to atone for his sins. You will have to play your part also.You will have to agree to give him your title. The fun starts on all fools day. It will be over exactly five weeks later.
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Felsey wrote
at 15:20:53 on 29 August 2020
Thank you blogger ‘Fact’ for reminding us that Wilson was followed by Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. No wonder the Labour Party got stuck in the dark ages. Gloves off come on mate and stand in the Mayoral 2021 let us bash out the facts in public. I am sure you agree our Salford would be tremendous with a Tory leader. In fact let us all agree to gift the £77k Mayor pay to Salford Charities and make Salford Proud to become the Star City it deserves to become. Let us all pledge to make Buile Hill the flagship City Council HQ. I am sure £100million funding would flow into the location.
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Darren born bred wrote
at 14:31:57 on 29 August 2020
Cherry tree court off Churchill way is empty, all the remaining citizens was moved to adelphi court.. it's owned by a company called Guinness partnership who are going to demolish it because on there website it says it's got technical and safety issues.. This block of 96 flats will do em for the time being, why don't Salford council spend some £££ and the homeless charity's put them in for a couple of years. Sorted.
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The Truth Will Out wrote
at 13:42:24 on 29 August 2020
The fact that Felse keeps declaring his mayoral candidacy makes him fair game for public scrutiny, including his partner/family too. It’s what happens in politics. There’s a good story swimming around here, once he declares his intention publicly. Well it’s not a story as it can be collaborated, but it will make very interesting reading and will certainly make some waves.
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bob wrote
at 12:54:01 on 29 August 2020
Look Ray, that group down Fitzwarren that wanted Buille hill house. I think they were called Emous. They are as big as the sally army when it comes to the homeless. They want to be in Salford. On the first Manctopia, when our Dingle with a beard went round to see the squatters in his industrial unit, the young lad there, (who later showed up at the dossers kitchen in the second program) told him he did not go to the night shelter as it was full of druggies. Well ,lets have a place right here in Salford, to help the very poor who want to help themselves. This is what lefty socialist bullshit is all about is it not Ray? We can get the old house tarted up a bit and stick them in there. I have an old pal who used to teach construction skills at Salford Tech. He used to live on the height but lives in Chorlton.Sure I could dig him out and get him to get some scheme going with the people he knows. These educationist people are all Labour people. We could teach these homeless lads how to build for themselves and get some basic accomodation units built in the old parks dept depot.It will make money as well. The banqueting suite has bar facilities, and where the old ice cream shop was we could put in a little Tap room. This is something that was done before over 100 years ago. Look at the great brick structures that were built for the railways.The lads who built these were not well paid like the brickies of today are. They for the most part lived in places like the old Bloom street doss house, and pissed their money up the wall each night. look at the mills, all the old terrace streets. all that work. it is about getting people working.Ray thinks whats needed is someone like Corbyn to give lots of government money and that will solve it.Think about it, Corbyn and Abbott turn up on Salford Precinct with an artic full of fifty pound notes, dishing them out to people who promise to build houses. The truck would soon be empty, but you wouldn't get many new houses. Labour say they care about the poor, but they don't, they care about power. The churches used to care about power as well. They didn't care about the poor. When the churches in this country were powerful ,The poor were starving. Now the churches have lost their power, they speak up for the poor, so that the poor will support them. What our young dossers need is a roof over their heads, a bit of good food,somewhere to get a shower and clean clothes, a trade to learn, a few pints each night, Oh and a kick up the arse as well for good measure. They would soon be as right as rain. Labour are not as daft as people like me make out they are. They are devious scheming bastards. They can see what the future holds for all these smart arsed yuppies moving in to pay these high rents. When this lot falls on their arses, as they will for sure when the ecconomy goes tits up,this lot will form the elite officer corps of the left. This is why the young poor are left on the streets, as an example, while the bearded Dingle's mates and Burnham stand on red carpets posing for photographers. What bullshit.
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Fact wrote
at 12:30:31 on 29 August 2020
Wilson had jacked it in on 5th April 1976 ---so a bit hard to blame him. You just like the sound of your own voice Felse. I thought you had promised to stop posting on here months ago. What makes you think that you will ever be Mayor? it is obvious that people cannot stand you. Why dont you spend the weekend reading the adventures of Baron Munchausen? See if it rings a bell?
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Felsey wrote
at 08:37:57 on 29 August 2020
Propaganda spewing now from Ray is the tired trick of Labour. In those last 40 years he blames the Tories it was Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown that got it wrong including the Labour Pathfinder, Iraq and allowing Salford Labour Council the freedom to destroy traditional communities. Labour failed to invest in Salford, failed to strengthen communities and failed to attract the thousands of post industrial jobs. We saw a massive success in none Labour controlled Council areas while Salford docks, pre Pathfinder families and local education went down the drain. I met Labour Councillors when so came here in 1999 who told me the truth that the drugs barons ruled Labour in Salford behind the scenes, telling Labour Councillors to keep out of their dealings. In fact Ray I will apologise for not condemning Labour when I came here in 1999 seeing Salford suffering under a Labour Government for a further 10 years. You want the facts mate well you stand in the Mayor 2021 election and I will shred your misleading Propaganda to stop Labour destroying Salford any longer. You want the truth then you must wake up to facts.
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wrote
at 23:24:57 on 28 August 2020
Could the real Felse please stop posting in other people’s avatars praising himself!
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 21:56:46 on 28 August 2020
Felsey,now that you're in an apologetic mode are you also prepared to fess up on the many crimes that the Tories have committed against Salford over the last forty yeàŕs - to with,destruction of manufacturing;mass unemployment;wrecking counćil housing and creating the socio-economic conditions that fostered drug addiction/dealing.
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 21:32:45 on 28 August 2020
Bob, where would the mission want to be located? Answer,Mañçhester Cìty Centre! What are you moaning about, Bob?
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Bob wrote
at 19:16:38 on 28 August 2020
As a christian, it is good to see out Ray seem to have a bit of respect for those in high christian office, as indeed his mate Burnham should as well, having been to the poshest papal school in scouseland before he went to Oxbridge. Burnham however does not know the difference between a lobby and a lob on. All Burham knows is how to feather his own nest. He knows all he could ever hope for was labour MP's flat cap wages. And at the last election, he would have lost that in Leigh. Note what Ray says. HE is going to lobby HIM, to get HIM to find some place for THEM, in the CITY CENTRE. In other words, not in Salford. Why can we not do as good christians would do, bring them to Salford? Years ago, that guy from the place near Lidl on Fitzwarren Street offered to take the buille hill building on. I am sure that lady on the telly could work with them. They are a big organisation, started by a Belgian Catholic priest, so they will have access to cash if it stacks up like I am sure it will. If the council put studio apps in where the old parks depot was, they would make a bundle and house the homeless. I am not advocating having shitbags and smackheads there. This would have to be very firmly controlled. VERY. And for fixed periods. Any messing ,lease finished. Tell you what, just had a good idea. Why do we not ask the Bishop of Salford what we should do. I am not a catholic, but I'll stand behind his good Christian advice. We have to think, what would Jesus have told us to do?
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Let’s get ready to rumble wrote
at 13:42:07 on 28 August 2020
Someone has given the nasty Labour Party’s blue print game away. It is now clear Labour saw working class families as an experiment. Thank you Mr Felse for putting egg on the faces elected to protect Salford. His nickname should be Saint Felse for having the balls to call out their evil, nasty, inhumane plan. I bet that Tim guy on Telly would sell his granny to shut up Saint Felse. Manctapioca game over mate everyone now knows the big game plan. Labour is now a dead dodo for sure.
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Ironybutterfly wrote
at 13:35:25 on 28 August 2020
And Felse doesnt see the irony. How long has he been living in Salford? Where does he live? 15 years and with all the yuppies on the Quays? The man talks shite and cant keep his word. His next political move should be to join the Salford Labour party.
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at 12:06:59 on 28 August 2020
Hold on Felse, you agreed with it just a month ago!! So you are saying you were hoodwinked for all these years, right up to last month, but now you have seen the light?!?! How you have the nerve to post your crap on here I will never know! False Felse should be your nickname!
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Felsey wrote
at 11:48:25 on 28 August 2020
I welcome “Last man standing’s” comment. Thousands were taken in by Salford Council’s nasty plan. Under the Blair Labour Government the £2billion pathfinder plan was to wipe out the North of England working class to replace them with yuppies. If you watch Manctopia you will see what I said was a 30 year plan for Salford is now mid point. In 15 years you will not recognise traditional Salford. It will all be scattered to the wind by Labour voters - unless what ??
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The Felsie Fan Club wrote
at 09:58:20 on 28 August 2020
Its great to hear that Michael recognises and apologies for his past mistakes .. it takes a big man to do that. But I still don't understand why people consider the re-development of Salford to be ethnic cleansing... its just called progress. I still think that Salfords major problem is the appalling education it gives its young children. If there is no aspiration to succeed at home, it can be created by the schools (where our children spend an enormous amount of time) and the childrens teachers. The problem lies with a general lack of ambition and a propensity to moan, and blame everyone else for their own problems. As it happens, its still possible to buy 2 bedroom houses in Salford for less than £100k, just take a look at zoopla or rightmove. So a young couple on less than average earnings can soon save up a deposit for a house like that and set up home together if they wish. Life is not as bad as the serial doom mongers make out. Pip pip Felsie -- keep up the great work.
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at 09:42:08 on 28 August 2020
Well said "Last man standing"
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Last man standing wrote
at 08:41:06 on 28 August 2020
Hey Felsey, Very eloquent apology, about fifteen years too late ! You are like a f**kin windsock with your political agenda, anyway the wind blows. If you were taken in by Salford Council's "" nasty plan" then you are " too stupid" to be a political player to quote Nye Bevin. Pathfinder was an apt name for destruction visited on working class districts nationwide. The original pathfinders were special R A F bomber squadrons tasked with illuminating German cities ear marked for a mass raid. I like to think the irony of the name was lost on Blair administration, it certainly wasn't lost on the affected communities. As a casualty of this flawed programme, I remember saying to the grinning police and sheriff's men, " I don't know what you're laughing at, if it's happening to me, it can happen to you ". I hope the ba***rds lived in Ordsall !
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at 07:29:32 on 28 August 2020
In this Salford star article from 23rd July 2020 https://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=5724 This is what Felsey wrote "Felsey wrote at 12:38:21 on 24 July 2020 I do not think Regeneration was a waste of money. People deserve good housing, schools, parks and healthy options. My fear is as the Council heads towards bankruptcy those in areas where not enough funding was invested are about to see their life go from bad to pure hell. Unless we get rid the Labour Council to give real hope to a new opprtunity Salford. " That sounds like he was in favour of Pathfinder?
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 20:29:17 on 27 August 2020
Bob, if Tim haď his head screwed on he would have busted a gut to find alternative premises, within Manchester City Centre , for the mission. The cherry on the cake would have been to contribute money towards the mission's lease - imagine the qudos accruing to Tim? He would be a racing cert for the next Pope ! Andy Burnham needs to get a grip and deliver an equitable solution to the mission's accommodation problem! I intend to lobby Andy on this matter.
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at 20:16:15 on 27 August 2020
Wow this post is over 4 years old!
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Felsey wrote
at 18:34:15 on 27 August 2020
Pathfinder was a terrible mistake. It ripped the heart out of Salford. I remember this well, it was led by John Prescott and Labour as its modernisation answer but instead ripped out the heart of local communities. The stick and the carrot rolled into one. I apologise for any support I gave at the time, like many I was hoodwinked by a nasty Labour plan and I demand Salford Council apologise to all those who were tricked and cheated, kicked out of their generational homes, memories cast into the gutter while the heart of Salford was put on the funeral fire. It is not too late to rebuild society and restore Salford into a Totally Loveable City. But that takes guts from everyone who wants to see Salford become different to where Manchester is going. Do we really want to destroy Salford’s unique heritage. I call time on the big mistake and demand apologies from every single Labour Councillor.
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at 14:29:23 on 27 August 2020
Stan, Felse agreed with Pathfinder. He said it recently on here.What did pathfinder do?
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Bob wrote
at 13:57:48 on 27 August 2020
Stan is 100% right about Felsey's comment.It's there for all to see on this page. ALL I SAY TO OUR PEOPLE IS ,WATCH MANCTOPIA.THEN WATCH IT AGAIN ON CATCH UP. GET ALL THE EDITIONS RECORDED AND WATCH THEM AGAIN AND KEEP THEM. Our Ray is right about Tim. Tim will never get an award for being in front of a camera, despite all his good looks that no doubt get all the girls swooning. I urge in strong terms our more knowledgeable correspondents like Mary and Joe and few others as well, to watch this series carefully as well,perhaps in the company of people with construction knowledge, so they can be advised accordingly as to whats going on.Anyway, its obvious Ray is not keen on Tim being in charge of helping our homeless, and does not think him right for the job.Then why did Labour knob head Burnham appoint him? In fact, what has Burnham got to do with this re development? These areas are in fact down to Manchester City Council. Just watch it folks. Its a laugh a minute. I know whats going on.
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Stan wrote
at 08:46:46 on 27 August 2020
Proof from this thread that Mr Felse warned Salford 5 years ago about the plan to clear out traditional Salford families. We owe him an apology for not listening. Labour is no good friend of the working class by the look of the high rise billion pound buildings. Meanwhile social housing waiting lists balloon out of a disregard for local people’s needs who ironically keep voting Labour.
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 20:27:27 on 26 August 2020
Yes,Bob,I did watch Mançtopià! Let's hope Tim'x better at property development than he appears to be at public relations! He came across as a sharp elbowed opportunist who would sell his grannie for à fiver! He talks about "building çommunities" but is at the same time complicit in airbrushing the homeless out of the area.
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Northern regular wrote
at 18:50:24 on 26 August 2020
Rossi @ Working in a charity shop is making money for the charity and helping the community. Stop moaning about it. The job search you have to do is part of "job seekers allowance", which you get once a week. I think it's £72 pounds a week, this is for you to live on and pay a few bills and for you to go shopping at Lidi and Aldi. If you don't like being on the dole, smarten yourself up, have a shave everyday, get a haircut once a month, buy some new clothes from Salford shopping centre and when you go for your next job interview, the company might give you a job on a basic wage. Okay good chap.
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Bob wrote
at 13:07:16 on 26 August 2020
Our Ray is out of his cage again. Did he see Manctopia last night on the telly? I did.Them lovely ladies, good working class girls the lot of them. They were going on about the eastern gateway. I presume our side in Ordsall is the western one. Look at the different approaches. In the doughnut belt around the city centre, the working class residents have been, and are being ethnically cleansed from the northern, eastern and western gateway areas to manchester. This has not happened in the southern gateway. the absolutely crap re developments of the sixties and seventies there were torn down and great efforts were made there to accomodate the working class populations of that area. This is despite the southern approach being, when you think of it,the most prosperous approach to the city, and being the most desirable from a profit point of view for the speculators. Wonder why this has happened. Also on Manctopia,is our working class lad made good, Saint Tim of Buille Hill, going to get a good savaging from the right wing,reactionary, fascist, bigotted press next week? (or indeed any other section of the press). In the closing minute before the final credits I think I saw the side view of a familiar face and heard a bit of a voice I recognised, or was I imagining things? A brief look at Tims face seemed to say it all as to whats coming. By the way, has Tim given up on Buille hill? Its gone a bit silent over there. If he has not, bearing ion mind he likes to see his handsome face on the screen, would it perhaps not be a good idea to video the next buille hill meeting so all in our city can see it,?And to see and record how he answers questions about it. Am still dying to find out what all our councillors are worried about. I can't get to sleep at night wondering what it might be.
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at 12:20:10 on 26 August 2020
sue w all that is wrong with this country filthy minded hateful trash go back to the cesspool you sloped out of we dont want your kind here this is the north and we care .
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Rayofsunshine wrote
at 09:50:24 on 26 August 2020
Felse left Labour because he is a self-serving whore!
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ROSSI wrote
at 09:36:09 on 26 August 2020
Sue W. Your suggestion is a recipe for disaster. It would turn the cities of the UK into crime infested hell holes. That's how it is in Paris, where all the poor people live in council estate ghettos called banlieues. High rise tower block wastelands about eight miles outside of Central Paris. I suppose that you also believe that people on benefits should be paid in vouchers that can only be spent on overpriced crap in segregated areas of supermarkets where the "Dole People" go, and that when not spending their vouchers on sad looking vegetables and Happy Shopper instant coffee, they should be forced to dick about for eight hours a day, five days a week in a charity shop, while trying, and failing to look as if they're doing something useful, before going home and doing a couple of hours of "Job Search" on the internet.
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Darren born bred. wrote
at 09:13:03 on 26 August 2020
Gentrification. Getting rid of the local people that have lived on the housing estate for donkey years and moving in middle class yuppies. It's happening all over ordsall. Ordsall in about 10years time will be called Salford quays area. At the moment they are building more expensive high rise buildings down ordsall lane near the ordsall hall and many more are planned. The old Wellington pub site is now going to be another expansive high rise block of appartments for yuppies thinking they live in Manchester, but it's ordsall in Salford. The name of the new appartments on the old Wellington pub are called regent plaza and 1bed is about £180,000, 2bed is £230,000 and 3bed are about £280,000. Most people in ordsall can't afford these expansive little appartments.
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sue w wrote
at 22:21:25 on 25 August 2020
people who cant afford a house and get one for free should NEVER be occupying the most expensive land in the country. They should be moved to the outskirts of the city.
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Marcus9er@hotmail.com wrote
at 17:38:32 on 17 May 2016
Read Lewis's comments, no one been forced out!! It's called regeneration and yes people are making a fortune out of it, that's called capitalism. Get a life!!
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Hahaha wrote
at 09:48:17 on 17 May 2016
Cry More you saddoes! Poor babies ar getting more people moving in their neighborhood that aren't from there? How dare they circulate further monies through the Salford economy! Get over yourselves, nobody else feels sorry for you.
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David cameron wrote
at 08:03:43 on 07 May 2016
Kenneth, when I said no one gives a fig, this means the voters, every time we get a chance to vote these bunch of self serving parasites out, you have a bunch of lazy basterds who can't be arsed to vote or they vote labour, then start moaning about labour destroying salford. People died in two world wars and these lazy arsed basterds can't afford 10 minutes of their time to vote, they don't deserve the vote or the democracy and the freedoms these brave men and women died for, the amount of people I speak to who say they don't vote, then go on to moan about what the Tories or labour are doing to this country, if you don't vote, then shut the fuck up, you don't have the right to complain, your part of the problem you morons. Kenneth you said "I Got a Talk With The Then P M Tory Blair and Between us We Got Some Of The Desicration of Salford Stopped", didn't know you had this much influence, was this over tea and biscuits at your place, I think I can hear the nurse in the background shouting your medications ready Kenneth, now from la la land, back to the world of reality Kenneth, the two main political parties who run this country and this city don't give a fuck about us or our opinions. until we are prepared to go out vote and put a stop to their cosy little world, they don't give a shit.
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Kenneth mckelvey wrote
at 18:23:25 on 06 May 2016
what Is The Non Discript On about .Nobody gave a damn when they pulled Salford Down Charleston, Langworthy, Lower Broughton, It was Steve with some Local People got the Demolition of spike Island Stopped Thanks To The M E N The Salford Star & The Advertiser I Got a Talk With The Then P M Tory Blair and Between us We Got Some Of The Desicration of Salford Stopped Ken Mckelvey
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Lewis Croden wrote
at 04:33:26 on 06 May 2016
Your title reads says 'residents pushed out', but who exactly has been pushed out? The development in Ordsall is taking place along the canal where empty factories stood? Nobody has been pushed out? The development near McDonald's was commercial property which has been empty for all my life. The factories at the back of Woden Street have been empty for years. Generic rubbish posted by you as usual. Ordsall finally starts getting much needed investment and people can't handle it.
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David Cameron wrote
at 04:32:55 on 06 May 2016
Didn't I tell you all that salford is to become the new London, as in London, true Londoners have been forced out of London, so the same is going to happen to salfordians, didn't I say rents would go up once Salix, city west went private. Salford council don't need to put compulsory perchase orders on people's homes, the'll just use rents and the council tax to get rid of the ones that don't fit in with their visons they have for salford, which don't include salfordians. My heart go out to the true salfordians who are going to lose their homes through tax, rent increases, but arn't you all the architect of you own down fall, arn't you the type of people who blindly vote labour no matter what, vote labour because your parents voted labour. Why is it you only get political when it start to effect you personally, remember this has been going on for years in salford under labour, remember the people of langworthy, Broughton and kersal who lost their homes and no one gave a fig. Funny, the people of Ordsal complain about what is happening to them, but isn't ordsal a labour safe seat, don't complain if labour screw you, if you keep on voting them in, you've only got your selves to blame.
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Michael James Felse wrote
at 20:51:10 on 05 May 2016
Hi GarethL, I am glad you asked which. In fact it was 12 years ago when a Salford Labour Party Councillor, Cabinet Member, told me they had the 30 year plan to eradicate the old image of Salfordians and change the name of wards to attract modern people. It was one of the reasons I left the Labour Party after 40 years. I saw it turning into the monster it is today. If you want to see the end of Salford's heritage you need to keep voting Salford Labour. It's Fact not Fiction.
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Gareth L wrote
at 18:35:01 on 05 May 2016
Social Cleansing. Or is it ethnic cleansing the eradication of the Salfordian?
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