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HUNDREDS OF SALFORD RESIDENTS OBJECT TO GARY NEVILLE `INSULT’ AND TURN ON CLASS OF ‘92
 

Star date: 18th November 2016

CLASS OF '92 SALFORD CITY FC STADIUM REDEVELOPMENT GETS HUNDREDS OF OBJECTIONS

Final score: Moor Lane Residents 224 Gary Neville 30

Over two hundred local residents have objected to the redevelopment of Salford City's Moor Lane stadium by the Class of '92 and Singaporean billionaire Peter Lim. The club proposes to increase the stadium capacity to over 5,000 and has met with huge resistance from the community.

"A lot has been said about this being good for Salford" says David Mintz of Moor Lane Residents Association "I was born and bred in Salford, and it's an insult to the city to suggest that we need Gary Neville to come down here and re-build a ground to make us great again."

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Hundreds of local residents have objected to the Class of '92 proposals to redevelop Salford City FC's Moor Lane stadium and more than double the capacity from the current 2,163 to 5,108.

The deadline for objections or support for the club's planning application closed late last night and Salford City Council received 224 from residents objecting to the plans and only thirty in favour.

"Over the last three years as investment in the club has increased and it has done slightly better, we've just noticed a massive influx of crowds on match days which is making us prisoners in our home" says David Mintz of the newly formed Kersal Moor Residents Association.

Already with crowds of over 2,000 for big matches, residents have complained about massive parking problems and traffic congestion, which they believe will get much worse as the club progresses up the leagues – which it surely will, backed by the Singaporean billionaire Peter Lim and the so-called Class of '92 millionaires Phil and Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Nicky Butt.

The club states in its planning application that "Based on a usual maximum attendance of 4,000 supporters, it is estimated that there will be circa 1,000 vehicles generated per match" but that it "will raise the profile of Salford through the success of the football club". On the latter point, David begs to differ...

"A lot has been said about this being good for Salford" he explains "I was born and bred in Salford it's an insult to the city to suggest that we need Gary Neville to come down here and re-build a ground to make us great again.

"We've got some of the most fantastic places in Salford, we've got art galleries, shops, buildings...and the beautiful natural Kersal Moor which is going to turn into a toilet for away fans – it's already happened for big games" he adds "It's an insult to the local area.

"They are saying that `Increased footfall to the stadium will bring trade to local businesses' but there isn't a local business within earshot" he explains "No local business stands to benefit, except the only local business that's there; which is Hotel Football that has the licence, and that's Gary Neville. It's about big business.

"The residents feel aggrieved because this is not a community initiative and there's been no talk of anything they are going to bring to the community" he says "It's been alluded to but nothing has been said. The only thing we all know is that in this day and age football is big business and Neville and Giggs and the rest of them know this better than anybody else...I'm sure Gary Neville and co would object if they were building a ground at the back of their garden."

And those in the Moor Lane vicinity who are getting a redeveloped ground at the back of their gardens aren't happy at all...

"My main objection is that on match days, when there is a large crowd, there's no parking facilities and Moor Lane itself is chaotic" explains Norbert Gajda, who has lived on Moor Lane for almost forty years "Twice I've noticed that emergency vehicles have tried to get down Moor Lane and couldn't, which I find very worrying. And this is with a crowd of less than 2,000.

"It's just going to get worse" he adds "The area will be clogged up and it's going to be terrible. There's also the increase in noise, litter, anti social behaviour maybe but my main concerns are the parking and traffic. I have no problems with Salford City being a successful football club but there must be other sites in Salford that could be used."

Norbert's wife, Anne, adds: "The traffic situation will be appalling but also the amount of noise that the stadium generates, not only cheering, which is fine, but they have this PA system on so loud and it can be quite unbearable. I'm also apprehensive about litter, while the emergency ambulances and fire engines being blocked are of paramount importance."

Howard Casofsky, who lives next to the ground on Nevile Road, says that his wife can't actually reverse her car out of their drive on match days... "I would like them to come and spend a few hours here when the roads are really busy" he says "Ambulances can't get through, fire engines can't get through...Urban Vision was supposed to come round and sort the car parking in the area but I don't even think they've been.

"There's been very little communication between the club and residents of the immediate community" he adds "They seem to be taking us for granted rather than liaising with us and trying to find the best possible outcome at the fairest price. I'm sure they would feel the same way if the Nevilles, Butt or Scholes were to have the same happen to them."

Alice Searle, who lives on Moor Lane, is a member of Friends of Kersal Moor which has worked tirelessly over the years to improve the site, relate its historical links to the Chartists and protect its environment.

"I was happy about the football ground and the football as it was, because it fitted the area but now with this growth the aims are different" she explains "The redevelopment doesn't fit this area because there isn't the infrastructure to support that growth. The roads are very residential and very environmentally attractive and sensitive.

"The Moor on one side of Moor Lane is a conservation site, it has rare plants, deer and foxes, and could be affected by this growth" she adds "Some people will drop litter, trample plants...and there will be an increase in noise and pollution. I'm recording the air quality with scientific equipment and will know if there is any increase because of what is happening.

"The Moor is something unique to Salford for its environmental and historical importance" she insists "It's an area that should be preserved for the city. The Council has a responsibility to find a more appropriate site."

The club states in its application that it wants to be a "good neighbour" and that it has a Travel Plan in place but it offers no concrete solutions – "If the growth aspirations of the club attract more fans it is likely that pressure for on-street parking will increase" the application states.

It adds that "The provision of off-street parking facilities for limited use on match-days is currently being explored" but that "a commercial deal has not been agreed at this time". It's also proposing "The implementation of a match day Traffic Regulation Order which would prevent parking on Nevile Road and potentially other roads in the vicinity of the stadium on certain match days."

The Club also states that it's "currently exploring options to encourage sustainable travel and the introduction of a Travel Plan in the near future is expected to reduce the supporters' dependency on the private car".

Objectors argue that the Travel Plan is spurious to say the least. The application merely states the club will provide "Literature on the health benefits of walking, cycling and environmental benefits of sustainable modes of transport", a "link to the TfGM website" and produce a newsletter with "Stories of other supporters who travel sustainably to the stadium to inspire others".

It also proposes to offer discounts on pies and tickets for those who use public transport, cycles and walking to get to matches but admits that it will be "hard to monitor".

The Club's targets for getting people to change their travel behaviour are set extremely low with a short term target of a 3% change for car use; the equivalent of around 17 less cars than the current 635 cars at a 2,000 crowd game; and 2% more people walking or using public transport. Just 15 bicycle spaces are proposed at the new ground for 5,000 people.

The Club adds that travel surveys will be "undertaken three months after the redevelopment of the stadium". Indeed virtually all the Travel Plan measures that the club is proposing are for after it has received planning permission, rather than being in place before the planning panel meeting of councillors. The club has paid the Council to fast-track the application which the Salford Star understands will be heard now in mid-December.

The attitude of the club's owners has antagonised the local community which has quickly formed a new Kersal Moor Residents Association to fight the plans, and has petitions both going door-to-door in the area and online*.

"This is absolutely not about the club" explains David Mintz "I don't think anybody wishes the club any malice whatsoever and good luck to them; they should do as well as they possibly can.

"But what I would say" he adds "is that gone are the days when clubs of that sort of size that are doing better are situated in predominantly residential areas. They've all moved because they need better motorway access for coaches and fans. If you've got three coaches on Nevile Road you're not getting in or out.

"All this has brought the community together" he says "I think people are annoyed that there's been no meaningful consultation. A lot of people we've been talking to weren't even aware that it was happening and the letters about the consultation the club sent out were extremely localised and a lot went missing. The plans were submitted just a few days after the consultation and that to me is totally disingenuous."

And David again dismisses notions that Gary Neville and co are investing in Salford City FC to `bring football back to its roots' etc..

"They would not be wasting their time on it if it wasn't a money making opportunity" he insists "And I don't see why residents should suffer while they line their pockets..."


For a full background on Salford City FC's planning application see previous Salford Star article – click here


*To sign the online Moor Lane Residents Association petition which went live last night – click here


To read more about the Class of '92 motivation for its involvement in Salford City FC see the Salford Star article on the `Out Of Our League' book – click here

Update: 19th November 2016:  FERGIE TIME!

Salford Council has now extended the deadline for comments on the stadium until Monday 21st November - Salford City have a home match against Worcester City today. The current score is Moor Lane Residents 241 Gary Neville 30

Update: 22nd November:

Final Score: Moor Lane Residents 252 Gary Neville 31


Stanley Abbott wrote
at 15:56:55 on 19 December 2016
Derek, Just read your comments ,albeit somewhat late I have to admit.... With regard to your comments about the number of times you have been to the bar in the club for parties etc, I would think that 4 times in 5 years that it has been open to "Special People" is not an everyday occurrence. Living quite close as you will know, ,I have not seen it open ONCE since they obtained the extended licence,other than on Match days despite all the "spouting" by the solicitor on the application day,for this licence, as to how they would open it to the benefit of the locals ... All in all just one set of platitudes to get what they want.... The ground like the bar will never be open to Schools ,Clubs,or other Community People which they quote ,(that they will allow)once the ground is closed off after being built to its so called new standard....
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Disalousioned socalist. wrote
at 12:52:33 on 22 November 2016
Mr Howard hits the nail smack on target, Mr Not in my back yard Balkind struggles with issues in Swinton but oh my god when it effects his living space all hell breaks loose, one of your comments asks him to contact his local councillor try finding one. Like Mr Balkind said in one of your past articles quote unquote we are all whipped ,lets hope his Labour pals are all not in favour of the rebuild. Worse comes to the worst he can always get a job picking up the empty burger packets.
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Reg Howard wrote
at 21:48:12 on 21 November 2016
does anyone really think that this council gives a shit what they think?. your answer comes from councillor Balkind, he is really upset that the proposal will impact on his life, in the area he lives in,and yet, the area he represents is ,in many places, an open tip. local facilities have been demolished against the wishes of the residents, all under the watch of the councillors for Swinton,( North and South). so is it a case of YES BUT NOT WHERE I LIVE ? don't try to influence this council,only money talks with them, good luck with your protest, By the way, I live in Swinton south.
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Stadium sufferer wrote
at 15:09:13 on 21 November 2016
Howard Balkind, I would suggest writing to your local Cllr but I do fear that they won't listen. You see until it is happening to them they just don't seem to care. I am certain of one thing though, the people of Barton who live near the once so called 'community stadium' feel your pain and know that all the problems you describe are typical of planning approvals for these kind of ventures.
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amargo wrote
at 15:09:06 on 21 November 2016
NIMBY-ism...... For years we've wanted a club to make the city proud. Now we seem to be getting somewhere up pop the locals to have a moan. The residents around the Willows didn't seem to mind back in the day and we're talking what, 20 games a season? I'm sure there'll be a parking plan of some sort as the ground is being built, and no doubt as the club progresses up the league the infrastructure will greatly improve.
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Howard Balkind wrote
at 12:52:47 on 21 November 2016
Although not a local councillor for Kersal Ward, I have to declare that I represent Swinton South. On this occasion I am writing as a local resident. Salford City until the Class of 92 took over was a local club pottering along quite happily for the benefit of volunteers. not any longer. Local companies have lost contracts to the hotel company managed by the class of 92. The ground is subject to a pepper corn rent based on it being available to the local community. No such use nowadays. Parking at present is horrendous on game days. Buses have been rerouted. Fire engines have had to divert. Moor Lane is a race track. Fans have been urinating after the game outside the ground. They buy burgers and chips and deposit the rubbish in the street and through same into peoples gardens. I could go on. There is an open meeting on Wednesday 23rd at 18 Moor Lane at 7.45pm. All welcome. Annoyed, you bet I am
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Simon Philip wrote
at 19:26:28 on 20 November 2016
I don't think the problem is the fact they want to expand, if they have to they should be allowed to. The problem is the lies and the underhanded way the club has gone about trying to cover up the inadequate parking facilties that they can't even supply. There is no reason why any resident whether for or against should have to be subjected to parking issues bc SCFC have no plan in place. They have admitted they haven't got one and they can't police what goes on outside the ground so I would politely ask that till they have got a concrete parking solution they should put everything on hold
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Naipoki wrote
at 14:48:00 on 20 November 2016
Tangerine Dream, the difference between knowingly buying a property next to a small local club with minimal traffic and accepting a massive redevelopment designed to attract thousands of cars with no legitimate parking plans - in direct breach of planning law - is significant. To you and all the Salford City fans attacking the local residents as NIMBYs (or NIMPYs according to Norman Cropper??!) - this aggressive stance against ordinary people with very real concerns is very immature and only going to inflame the situation - giving credibility to the fears of local residents that the fans have no respect for the area and will not be acting in a considerate manner on match days. Personally I have no axe to grind against the club and wish you every success in the football league. But with success and expansion comes social responsibility. Given the enormous wealth of the club's new owners, asking for concrete plans for adequate parking provision is not unreasonable. Additionally, Nevile Road is not the only street that will be affected, and even if your 'understanding' of residents parking on that road were true, it would push traffic on to neighbouring streets, as well as doing nothing to prevent noise, litter and pollution. So it would not 'completely invalidate' concerns at all. Proper consultation and compromise is the way forward, not attacking the club's neighbours. Grow up, and then perhaps a reasonable dialogue can begin.
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Stumpy wrote
at 14:47:33 on 20 November 2016
As a resident of Nevile Road who supports the plans it is interesting to highlight the fact I have not been asked to join Kersal Moor Residents Association or had anyone come to my door from the group to discuss the objections... so much for "all this has brought the community together" the way I loo at it, the ground either gets redeveloped or they move, if they move there isn't another team with a couple of hundred fans waiting to move in, therefore a council needing to raise funds will have an excellent plot of land available for development. You might say it's protected land but don't forget that the Kersal Pub which, shock horror sold alcohol to members of the public!!!! Was a listed building on protected land because of rare species of newts, isn't that now a housing estate?
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Tangerine Bream wrote
at 07:19:17 on 20 November 2016
When you say you "understand" that parking restrictions are being put in place don't you also think it's strange that the 500 page planning submission doesn't mention it? Don't you think it's strange the council have no record of any such proposal. Get your facts right dreamer. There's no proposals in place to safeguard the right of the local residents . And none for the parking. They spin you a web of lies just like they did in their consultations that hardly anyone heard about. Give us promises not understandings.
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Chris P Bacon wrote
at 07:17:52 on 20 November 2016
Salford Star attacks progress shock! The Star turned against Salford as soon as the class of 92 came in. It would be nice if you, just for once, put forward a balanced argument that ACCURATELY reflects both sides. Drop the speculation and drop the attitude towards the owners. The residents have genuine concerns about how this may affect them, but your article does nothing for the neutral that wants to find out more.
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tangerine dream wrote
at 12:19:32 on 19 November 2016
To Robert Derbyshire can I just say that you get your completely distorted facts right and don't pretend that you actually know anything at all about the facts surrounding the takeover of the club by the Class of '92. Other than the change of colour from tangerine to red there has absolutely no reason at all for the supporters to be up in arms considering the massive progress that has been made on the field of play. I understand also that Nevile Road will have parking restrictions put in place on matchday's so that will completely invalidate all the problems surrounding access for residents and users alike. On one hand people here are complaining that the extension of the bar license meant that it hasn't been open on anything other than at games yet on the other hand others have stated that drunken hooligans and acts of mindless destruction would be inflicted in the area if the hours were extended! The club have to improve their facilities in order to at least maintain their present standard and then to progress further and it's a shame that people - who knew that they buying their properties next to a football ground - are now thinking up numerous hysterical reasons as to why their city club should not get the facelift it both deserves and needs. It's also typical of the Salford Star to give a link to a site where those who want to object to the development can but of course there's no link given to those who want to do otherwise. Mind you I shouldn't be surprised by that all.
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Derek Brent wrote
at 05:52:11 on 19 November 2016
Stanley you are mistaken about the bar.I had my 70th and 75th birthday celebrations there my wife had her 70th birthday and we held our 50th wedding anniversary there.Deer on Kersal Moor!!! I've lived opposite the Moor for thirty years and never seen one.To whoever suggested the A.J Bell stadium,Salfor f.c ground shared with Swinton R.L.club at Moor Lane it never worked out the two sports have different requirments D.Brent Moor Lane
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Norman Cropper wrote
at 20:44:30 on 18 November 2016
Don't listen to the whinging NIMPYs. Gary Neville & co should be applauded for the ambition they are showing. You'd think they were trying to build Wembley Stadium given the OTT reaction of the NIMBYs. I'm not a supporter of Salford FC but my guess is they'll end up being no more than just another league club - with attendances of a few thousand max. Let them get on with it and stop whinging. It's only for 25 to 30 home games a year, sure the noise can't be that bad (I went there as an away supporter a couple of years ago and the parking issue didn't seem too bad. No worse than you get at many many grounds around the country.
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craig horner wrote
at 17:16:49 on 18 November 2016
Surely Littleton Road is a better option as there is a sports facility already there with acres of space, it's not too near residents gardens and has better road links.
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salford resident wrote
at 17:16:43 on 18 November 2016
Be better if they moved to the AJ Bell , better stadium better for parking etc , do the right thing class of 92
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stanley abbott wrote
at 17:16:33 on 18 November 2016
When we attended the so called community meeting and saw all the tvplans, illustrations, etc it was in fact so disorganised that it was really only "this is what we are going to do whether you like it or not" one of the architects told myself that they (the football club) would be keeping the ICONIC STAND and they even put this out in a two page spread in the MEN, three days after this meeting their application was submitted including the demolishen of the stand, there were many other inconsistances in what was said, you can be sure therefore that any promises made by this football club will be sidelined immediately, Remember when they applied for their extended bar license their solicitor said that it would benefit the local residents, since they got the extension to the license the bar has never been open once other than a match day,it has benefitted therefore only the club,just a few points there are far too many to be written here but these have been submitted to the council seperately
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Real Salford Lad wrote
at 17:16:24 on 18 November 2016
Why can't they move to Salford Sh*tty Stadium ?
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Robert Derbyshire wrote
at 17:16:05 on 18 November 2016
When the 'class of 92' first bought Salford City and laid their plans out they talked of not only changing the colour of the teams strip but also of moving to the AJ Bell Stadium. The original supporters were up in arms over the proposals, they changed the teams colours to red, to tie in with their plans to become a feeder club to United, but the move away from Moor Lane was put on hold. I believe that the planning application from Neville etc is a cynical ploy, they know it has no chance of success and will be able to point to the Council's knocking back of their application as the reason for having to move to a new stadium.
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Alice wrote
at 10:53:24 on 18 November 2016
As a member of the Friends of Kersal Moor I would like to appeal to the Council to think about the consequences of this development. The land was originally given to the council for the relaxation and recreation of the community it was not for a business proposition. The football ground was once part of the Moor and is now just across Moor Lane from the remaining Moor. The latter is a site of biological interest (SBI) and a Salford Conservstion site. The traffic, noise and air pollution arising from an increase in football traffic are threats to this beautiful, restful area. Surely the Council can find a different venue for this development., where it can continue to give football pleasure without destroying the pleasure of others.
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