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BULLDOZERS MOVE IN ON VICTORIAN SALFORD LISTED YE OLDE NELSON PUB
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Star date: 16th June 2016 MORE SALFORD HERITAGE BEING TRASHED "It is essential that we preserve as many historic buildings as possible in the Chapel Street area..." Councillor Derek Antrobus, Planning Lead Member When the redevelopment of Chapel Street began a few years ago, politicians and regenerators all said that the Salford listed, late Victorian pub, Ye Olde Nelson, would be saved. Today the bulldozers moved onto the site, after its demolition notice was sneaked through `delegated planning decisions' last month. Full details here...
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As the Salford Star revealed in April (see here), the locally listed, late Victorian landmark, Ye Olde Nelson pub is being demolished. Today bulldozers moved onto the site and began dismantling surrounding walls, with the whole building expected to be rubble by Monday. Originally dating from 1805, the Nelson Tavern was named after Lord Nelson who died at Trafalgar that year. It was re-built in 1899, opened in 1905 and closed for good in 2002. At the start of the redevelopment of Chapel Street a few years ago, the then Salford MP Hazel Blears was photographed by the pub stating "Alongside the vital demolition work necessary to make the area safe, historic buildings and public spaces such as Ye Olde Nelson and Bexley Square will be revitalized and brought back into active use." At the time, Councillor Derek Antrobus, head of planning for Salford Council, added: "Good planning means mixing the old with the new. It is essential that we preserve as many historic buildings as possible in the Chapel Street area. Our partners are making a good start in a transformation that will celebrate the old but also bring in a new, vibrant quarter." And three years ago, Phil Mayall, head of the English Cities Fund (ECf), which is leading the `redevelopment' of Chapel Street, insisted; "We aim to demolish the buildings next to the Nelson. We have spent time and money on an engineer and established it is structurally separate from the properties next door. At this stage we do not know how it will be developed but it will be retained, cleaned up, and made safe and secure." Phil Mayall's name was on the demolition notice of Ye Olde Nelson, which was approved in March behind closed doors, as a `delegated' decision, rather than at a panel meeting of councillors, and published on 12th May. This follows Salford Council also approving the demolition of the listed Black Horse pub in the so-called `conservation area' of the Crescent in April (see here). Salford residents must be wondering whether they can ever trust the word of a politician or developer again...
* See also previous Salford Star article - New Film Reveals Image Obsessed Salford Council While Community Chokes - click here
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Mary Ferrer wrote
at 20:03:31 on 20 June 2016 |
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| Hazel has had her money from Salford folk and buggered off to Lancaster. And good riddens,they are welcome to her. Too many decisions are made behind closed doors. If they haven't anything to hide then be open and transparent and let the people who have voted them in,know What they are doing in the name of Salford people. Regarding local neighborhood plans. I along with a lot of other people,officers residents and the ward councillors met for months doing a neighborhood plan for Claremont/waste. It is sat on a shelf somewhere within the civic or in a blue bin. They talk the talk and promise you they will listen and take on board the feelings of local residents. They then forget the promise's and do what they want. |
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Julie wrote
at 17:08:46 on 20 June 2016 |
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| well done Salford Council more of our history flatten - we need a neighbour planning panel to stop these outsiders ruining our heritage Leeds people ruin your own towns before coming here stay on the otherside of the pennines Thanks Hazel hope you nest is well feathered!!!!!! |
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Salford Star wrote
at 07:23:52 on 20 June 2016 |
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| See Josh's comment below... `locally listed'... `Salford listed'...yes the article does make it clear. It's also a spurious point to make that the Council puts priorities of `vulnerable children' and such first because it never did look after its buildings, even before the cuts. Also, lots of Council staff salaries are taken from the `capital' rather than revenue budget for such development work. The fact that the heritage officer was never replaced years ago speaks volumes. The worst aspect of this particular case though is that the decision was never even taken to a planning panel but made behind closed doors. The secret Chapel Street Development Fund could have contributed to the building's future - but that's secret, even though public money, so we'll never know what that's being spent on. Hopefully the Information Commissioner will force Salford Council to reveal where this money is being spent |
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Josh wrote
at 07:06:12 on 20 June 2016 |
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| Mary, this pub was added to the local list of buildings years ago long before any of the current councillors had been elected. It's a decent building and it's pretty obvious that the way it's been kept standing for so long bears out that English Cities Fund wanted to keep it but its not been possible in this instance and as it's not nationally listed the council cant require that its kept.
No council is perfect but you and I know that Salford run by the tories or by ukip would be a hell of a lot worse.
Perhaps one reason by the council doesn't have the resources to chase owners to keep their listed buildings in good condition is that the council has lots of other priorities like looking after vulnerable children and the elderly etc, etc.
While you know the difference between locally and nationally listed this article doesn't make that difference and its an important one to make. In a week when dog whistle politics and dog whistle journalism have possibly contributed to a mentally ill individual thinking it's ok to gun down and knife a decent MP it is important that some more rational and sensible angle is taken.
No council is perfect and Salford Star does a great job pointing out this council's failings. This isn't one of them though and it just annoys me that the same people, several of whom have been councillors or have wanted to be or still want to be pile in time after time with their ill-informed and unfair comments |
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Mary ferret wrote
at 16:01:52 on 18 June 2016 |
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| If the powers that be within Salford council felt this building,along with other buildings warranted listing locally,then for what ever reason they can say,on reflection go on knock it down. Salford labour run council CAN'T be trusted. They say one thing and do another.So,Josh if Salford council are that bloody good looking after grade 1/2 nat listed building.why are so many being allowed to fall into disrepair. The council have a duty of care to make sure the owners of these buildings look after them. But the council don't. They cant even look after their own listed buildings. Yes I do know the difference between local and national listed buildings. We wont have much left by the time them so called caring listening councillors have finished |
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life is loud wrote
at 16:01:28 on 18 June 2016 |
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| Its gone the way of most pubs unfortunately a sign of the times we live in |
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Josh wrote
at 06:12:27 on 18 June 2016 |
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| The usual hysterical, inaccurate, ill-informed comments from the usual failed suspects. This is a locally listed building, not a nationally listed one - there are hundreds of nationally listed buildings in Salford, almost all of which are very safe - the Collier St Baths being a notable exception. I'm pretty sure that everyone wanted to keep it - why keep it standing and costing money for so long in its existing condition? As Cllr Antrobus said 'as many as possible' and sadly it's not been possible to keep this one - the same developer did a pretty good job of keeping the Bell Tower further up the street. |
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Tricky Trevor wrote
at 16:20:34 on 17 June 2016 |
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| As sure as night follows day this place was gonna get 'dozed. Been saying it for years. The audacity of the council to have had it wrapped in a chapel St regeneration hoarding...
Fair do's there simply isn't customer demand for pubs anymore and this area that once had 10-15 pubs now has just 4. They could incorporate this fine old building's frontage into whatever it is theyve been waiting to build here. |
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Captain Cae Os wrote
at 12:09:29 on 17 June 2016 |
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| Why not find something or "anything" that they want to keep,and have a "community" demolition/ occupation/ compulsory purchase/ order on that, the list of properties owned by the Greater Manchester "council" pension Funds, or the odd town hall or two,made into community refugee's and free accomadation centers.
I'm sure they would love that too! |
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The Fat End of The Wedge wrote
at 07:41:50 on 17 June 2016 |
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| I don't see what all the fuss is about - surely we can look forward to another bland concrete and glass monstrosity. And there will be a heritage link in the name - "Ye Olde Nelson Gardens" no doubt. Although there won't be any gardens to speak of. Still, it will sound nice. And somebody way away from all this will have made a fast buck at our expense - everybody's a winner! Except me and you.
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Brian England wrote
at 07:41:46 on 17 June 2016 |
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| Disgusting,as normal by the council, listed buildings I thought should be saved, isn't it illegal to do this, I vote Labour but I think it would of been best to get a conservative mayor, and a council run by conservatives, not the usual motley crew that have been going years, they still won't act on fly tipping either passing it off to someone else ,there a bunch of misfits |
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Gordon Zola wrote
at 07:41:36 on 17 June 2016 |
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| Let's be honest, unfortunately we do know why this has happened. Short sighted greed, pure and simple. Councillors in both Salford and Manchester are rubbing their hands in glee at the constant flow of money coming in from (un)affordable housing and embarrassingly bland flats and offices, and if it means destroying both cities' history, heritage and culture, then they couldn't give 2 figs as long as their bank balances look fatter at the end of the day.
Maybe it's time to look to the French and how they do it when it comes to protesting these decisions.....
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Mary Ferrer wrote
at 18:23:53 on 16 June 2016 |
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| If any of Salford Labour council told me the sky was blue.i would have to go and make sure. They say one thing,and do the total opposite. By the time they have finished we won't have any of our heritage and history left. Nothing for future generations. I don't know why,but this council seem hell bent on ripping the heart ♥ out of OUR city. We don't even have a heritage office. As for councillor Antrobus,he should hang his head in shame. In years to come he will be known for taking our heritage.shame on him and the rest of the so called councillors. Who are supposed to be the voice of the people of OUR City |
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alan johnston wrote
at 18:23:44 on 16 June 2016 |
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| Have i got it wrong or is the council payed for by our council taxes. And that are they paid by our taxes. So how the hell do they get away with this they must be brought to book and be made to account for and why this was aloud to happen . As for the red head witch hazel blears i have never trusted her. They are the same . I am sure someone sitting in the council offices has got a back hander DISGRACEFULL. |
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Michael James Felse wrote
at 18:23:28 on 16 June 2016 |
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| There will be no safe heritage if Greater Manchester pick a Labour Mayor. They will just rubber stamp all the local labour mayor actions. We need to hand the important heritage sites to local community groups, with a free mayor forcing a legal protection pledge. |
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